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		<title>By: Eraserhead; or, putting the &#8217;social&#8217; back into Social Democrat&#160;&#124;&#160;The Kosmopolitan Online</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-16732</link>
		<dc:creator>Eraserhead; or, putting the &#8217;social&#8217; back into Social Democrat&#160;&#124;&#160;The Kosmopolitan Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] because he’s long since moved on to coke. (Reasonable, I guess.) Read this completely un-stoned retort. When the hope gets suffocating, be sure to check out Glenn Greenwald’s research on Lusitanian [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because he’s long since moved on to coke. (Reasonable, I guess.) Read this completely un-stoned retort. When the hope gets suffocating, be sure to check out Glenn Greenwald’s research on Lusitanian [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dude, You&#8217;re Harshing My Mellow &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-3879</link>
		<dc:creator>Dude, You&#8217;re Harshing My Mellow &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in which Obama answered the now infamous &#8220;pot question&#8221; in his online town hall than Freddie and Andrew have done. While I might understand the frustration they express over the way that Obama [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in which Obama answered the now infamous &#8220;pot question&#8221; in his online town hall than Freddie and Andrew have done. While I might understand the frustration they express over the way that Obama [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why We Worry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What marijuana prohibition costs &#124; I wish I worked for AIG</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-3858</link>
		<dc:creator>Why We Worry &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What marijuana prohibition costs &#124; I wish I worked for AIG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Friday, I briefly criticized Obama&#8217;s glib response to the question of legalizing marijuana. I said, &#8220;our marijuana laws, in particular, are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Friday, I briefly criticized Obama&#8217;s glib response to the question of legalizing marijuana. I said, &#8220;our marijuana laws, in particular, are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Think non toxic</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-3821</link>
		<dc:creator>Think non toxic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do get the point right???? </description>
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		<title>By: ce</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-3805</link>
		<dc:creator>ce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that Think non toxic, you are just slightly off.  Hemp is Cannabis Rudalis. Sativa can be some of  the finest bud grown and prized for it’s high.  Rudalis is commonly known as ditch weed and worthless as smoke.  Then there is Cannabis Indica, which is  made into hash.  To summarize, there are three types, Sativa, Indica, and Rudalis.  No big deal but the stoners will get a kick out of it.  Wonder what cooking with Sativa based oil would be like!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that Think non toxic, you are just slightly off.  Hemp is Cannabis Rudalis. Sativa can be some of  the finest bud grown and prized for it’s high.  Rudalis is commonly known as ditch weed and worthless as smoke.  Then there is Cannabis Indica, which is  made into hash.  To summarize, there are three types, Sativa, Indica, and Rudalis.  No big deal but the stoners will get a kick out of it.  Wonder what cooking with Sativa based oil would be like!</p>
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		<title>By: JA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie, excellent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie, excellent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Obama disappoints &#8212; again - Orange Punch - OCRegister.com</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-3781</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama disappoints &#8212; again - Orange Punch - OCRegister.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not quite alone in my assessment. Freddie DeBoer growls thoughtfully. Andrew Sullivan calls it pathetic. Radley Balko defends him from criticism. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not quite alone in my assessment. Freddie DeBoer growls thoughtfully. Andrew Sullivan calls it pathetic. Radley Balko defends him from criticism. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s Not About the Economy, Pothead. (Or, a Rant.) &#171; Upturned Earth</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/grrrr/#comment-3728</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Not About the Economy, Pothead. (Or, a Rant.) &#171; Upturned Earth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a&#160;Rant.)  As a strong supporter of the legalization of marijuana, I sympathize entirely with Freddie&#8217;s frustration with Obama&#8217;s craptastic take on the subject from Wednesday night&#8217;s &#8220;town [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a&nbsp;Rant.)  As a strong supporter of the legalization of marijuana, I sympathize entirely with Freddie&#8217;s frustration with Obama&#8217;s craptastic take on the subject from Wednesday night&#8217;s &#8220;town [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake: Back atcha re: good discussion. I, for one, do find those fiscal arguments that you hint at to be pretty compelling. And yeah, I&#039;m caught up in trying to guess what political calculus may be operative here. It is interesting to see Obama lay down a bunt when given the opportunity to be the kind of transformative political figure for whom many of us voted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake: Back atcha re: good discussion. I, for one, do find those fiscal arguments that you hint at to be pretty compelling. And yeah, I&#8217;m caught up in trying to guess what political calculus may be operative here. It is interesting to see Obama lay down a bunt when given the opportunity to be the kind of transformative political figure for whom many of us voted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan:  fair points, good discussion.  My main pushback would be against the criticism related to the shoehorning of the marijuana issue into policy discussions where it doesn&#039;t belong.

While I do believe there are good arguments to be made that the right kind of legalization scheme would be a significant fiscal boost to (though obviously not a cure-all for) federal, state, and local budgets (savings from cessation of enforcement/incarceration efforts + increased tax revenue), we can leave that for another time and place.  But what I want to say is that while, like you, apparently, I haven&#039;t seen the set-up for the voting/questions/categories, but my sense from the reporting is that the marijuana activists essentially used a kitchen-sink approach in bringing up the issue.  And, unfortunately, this allowed Obama to do something fairly disingenuous:  he cherry-picked the most easily dismissable context (&quot;is marijuana a good strategy to grow our economy?&quot;) in order to portray the issue in a silly light.  This was unfair, and has the effect of (somewhat) spoiling my idea of Obama as a thoughtful, &quot;different&quot; kind of politician.  Oh well.

As to your other points, they mostly relate to the idea that coming out with an attackable position on this issue will tend to harm Obama&#039;s larger agenda.  I don&#039;t doubt that you are right, but I&#039;m not a Democrat (and probably not much of a &quot;progressive&quot;, truth be told), and being kind of a cafeteria-style liberal, I don&#039;t find that argument particularly compelling, personally, though I definitely understand why others would.

Anyway, thanks for the good discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan:  fair points, good discussion.  My main pushback would be against the criticism related to the shoehorning of the marijuana issue into policy discussions where it doesn&#8217;t belong.</p>
<p>While I do believe there are good arguments to be made that the right kind of legalization scheme would be a significant fiscal boost to (though obviously not a cure-all for) federal, state, and local budgets (savings from cessation of enforcement/incarceration efforts + increased tax revenue), we can leave that for another time and place.  But what I want to say is that while, like you, apparently, I haven&#8217;t seen the set-up for the voting/questions/categories, but my sense from the reporting is that the marijuana activists essentially used a kitchen-sink approach in bringing up the issue.  And, unfortunately, this allowed Obama to do something fairly disingenuous:  he cherry-picked the most easily dismissable context (&#8220;is marijuana a good strategy to grow our economy?&#8221;) in order to portray the issue in a silly light.  This was unfair, and has the effect of (somewhat) spoiling my idea of Obama as a thoughtful, &#8220;different&#8221; kind of politician.  Oh well.</p>
<p>As to your other points, they mostly relate to the idea that coming out with an attackable position on this issue will tend to harm Obama&#8217;s larger agenda.  I don&#8217;t doubt that you are right, but I&#8217;m not a Democrat (and probably not much of a &#8220;progressive&#8221;, truth be told), and being kind of a cafeteria-style liberal, I don&#8217;t find that argument particularly compelling, personally, though I definitely understand why others would.</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for the good discussion.</p>
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