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	<title>Comments on: Republicans&#8217; Kris Kross Moment: I Missed the Bus!</title>
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		<title>By: Twenty-First Century Conservatism &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3750</link>
		<dc:creator>Twenty-First Century Conservatism &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last week I posted a piece saying that Republicans and conservatives were missing a golden opportunity to engage in a full-throated  reconstruction dialogue under the Obama administration and noted [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike at The Big Stick</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3319</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike at The Big Stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott/Mark,

Let me try backtracking a bit....

I&#039;m not trying to equate Dems 2000 with Republicans 2009. What I&#039;m saying is that asking the GOP to formulate an agenda now is moving too fast in my opinion. Maybe it appeals to policy wonks and intellectuals for the GOP to start reconstructing as a sort of shadow government that would offer an alternative vision. Politically speaking though, it is much easier to function as the loyal opposition and let Obama point out what direction to go when the inevitable stumbles happen.

This AIG thing is just the start. Chris Dodd is tangled up in this one but wait until Fannie and Freddie get ready to give bonuses shortly. So many Dems have their hands dirty with F&amp;F that it could get very ugly, very fast. The point is, with these huge moves by the administration there is also HUGE potential for overreach and failure. Politically speaking, the GOP can just sit back and wait and they will have all their talking points laid out in front of them. That&#039;s why I&#039;m not convinced that they are as bad off as people make them out to be. Obama&#039;s fast rise could be the precursor to a faster fall. And let&#039;s not forget Rangel and Murtha under investigation. I will be very surprised if the GOP doesn&#039;t start retaking seats next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott/Mark,</p>
<p>Let me try backtracking a bit&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to equate Dems 2000 with Republicans 2009. What I&#8217;m saying is that asking the GOP to formulate an agenda now is moving too fast in my opinion. Maybe it appeals to policy wonks and intellectuals for the GOP to start reconstructing as a sort of shadow government that would offer an alternative vision. Politically speaking though, it is much easier to function as the loyal opposition and let Obama point out what direction to go when the inevitable stumbles happen.</p>
<p>This AIG thing is just the start. Chris Dodd is tangled up in this one but wait until Fannie and Freddie get ready to give bonuses shortly. So many Dems have their hands dirty with F&amp;F that it could get very ugly, very fast. The point is, with these huge moves by the administration there is also HUGE potential for overreach and failure. Politically speaking, the GOP can just sit back and wait and they will have all their talking points laid out in front of them. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not convinced that they are as bad off as people make them out to be. Obama&#8217;s fast rise could be the precursor to a faster fall. And let&#8217;s not forget Rangel and Murtha under investigation. I will be very surprised if the GOP doesn&#8217;t start retaking seats next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H. Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3307</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, neither was being a Democrat/liberal synonymous with ideological ruin and failure. 

Look, what I&#039;m suggesting is not just that Republicans have lost power and require some time to regain a sense of coherence in the face of that loss, but that they have come to a point where their primary focus needs to be on taking a fundamental look at how they present themselves in political landscape that is increasingly disinclined to their favour. That Republicans are, depending on your view, rightly perceived as being the &quot;party of no&quot; currently is not so much the point as it is an indication that they are not engaging in the kind of reflection that is desperately needed and have instead chosen to double-down on a losing agenda.

That just doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense to me because if there is any politician currently out there that I feel like would be hospitable to their needs, it&#039;s Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, neither was being a Democrat/liberal synonymous with ideological ruin and failure. </p>
<p>Look, what I&#8217;m suggesting is not just that Republicans have lost power and require some time to regain a sense of coherence in the face of that loss, but that they have come to a point where their primary focus needs to be on taking a fundamental look at how they present themselves in political landscape that is increasingly disinclined to their favour. That Republicans are, depending on your view, rightly perceived as being the &#8220;party of no&#8221; currently is not so much the point as it is an indication that they are not engaging in the kind of reflection that is desperately needed and have instead chosen to double-down on a losing agenda.</p>
<p>That just doesn&#8217;t make a lot of sense to me because if there is any politician currently out there that I feel like would be hospitable to their needs, it&#8217;s Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3306</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - I feel like you&#039;ve forgotten our recent history.  GWB had a 50% approval rating on 9/10/2001.  Jim Jeffords had had crossed the floor of the Senate three months earlier.  The house was 221R - 211D; in 2002, the Dems lost 6 additional districts.  The Senate switched from 51D-49R to 51R-49D.  In 2004, the Dems actually picked up a few districts nationwide but were gerrymandered out of at least six wins in Texas by Tom Delay.

Fast-forward to &#039;08: the Rs are down 44 districts in the House and 15 seats in the Senate.  Bush left office with an approval rating in the mid-20s with (charitably) perhaps one major policy accomplishment in his second term.

There&#039;s simply no comparison between the 50.1-49.9 state the country was in from 2000-2004 and where it is now.  The Dems were backed into a corner by the GWOT but they didn&#039;t get abused in anything resembling the way the Republicans have been since Nov. 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; I feel like you&#8217;ve forgotten our recent history.  GWB had a 50% approval rating on 9/10/2001.  Jim Jeffords had had crossed the floor of the Senate three months earlier.  The house was 221R &#8211; 211D; in 2002, the Dems lost 6 additional districts.  The Senate switched from 51D-49R to 51R-49D.  In 2004, the Dems actually picked up a few districts nationwide but were gerrymandered out of at least six wins in Texas by Tom Delay.</p>
<p>Fast-forward to &#8216;08: the Rs are down 44 districts in the House and 15 seats in the Senate.  Bush left office with an approval rating in the mid-20s with (charitably) perhaps one major policy accomplishment in his second term.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s simply no comparison between the 50.1-49.9 state the country was in from 2000-2004 and where it is now.  The Dems were backed into a corner by the GWOT but they didn&#8217;t get abused in anything resembling the way the Republicans have been since Nov. 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike at The Big Stick</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3305</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike at The Big Stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Democrats were not dealt a &#039;crushign blow&#039; in 2000 but they let their anger over a perceived stolen election make them look like a mob with pitchforks rather than a cohesive movement (unless you count mutual Bush hatred as the common bond). They were pretty aimless from 2000 to 2003. It&#039;s part of the reason why the GOP gained seats in 2002 and 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Democrats were not dealt a &#8216;crushign blow&#8217; in 2000 but they let their anger over a perceived stolen election make them look like a mob with pitchforks rather than a cohesive movement (unless you count mutual Bush hatred as the common bond). They were pretty aimless from 2000 to 2003. It&#8217;s part of the reason why the GOP gained seats in 2002 and 2004.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H. Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3300</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I appreciate the thoughts, but feel like you&#039;re missing a key point. Comparing Democrats circa 2000 to Republicans right now isn&#039;t an apt comparison. Sure Democrats had lost, but it wasn&#039;t (contra Karl Rove theorizing) a crushing, re-aligning defeat. There was still a comprehensible movement and party intact. 

Republicans have indeed just suffered a crushing defeat and their brand is very badly damaged in the public square. The task in front of them is much greater than what faced Democrats in 2000 and the sooner they get on with it the better, especially with a president like Obama in thew White House with all of his campaign rhetoric still hanging over his head.

Now if you could make the argument with a comparison to Democrats circa 1981 I think you&#039;d have a much stronger case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I appreciate the thoughts, but feel like you&#8217;re missing a key point. Comparing Democrats circa 2000 to Republicans right now isn&#8217;t an apt comparison. Sure Democrats had lost, but it wasn&#8217;t (contra Karl Rove theorizing) a crushing, re-aligning defeat. There was still a comprehensible movement and party intact. </p>
<p>Republicans have indeed just suffered a crushing defeat and their brand is very badly damaged in the public square. The task in front of them is much greater than what faced Democrats in 2000 and the sooner they get on with it the better, especially with a president like Obama in thew White House with all of his campaign rhetoric still hanging over his head.</p>
<p>Now if you could make the argument with a comparison to Democrats circa 1981 I think you&#8217;d have a much stronger case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike at The Big Stick</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3299</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike at The Big Stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have made this point here before but it bears repeating: Typically in the early stages of an administration the just-defeated opposition is going to be almost completely reactionary. Look at Democrats circa 2000-2003. Bush basically set their agenda as they just endorsed the opposite of most of his positions. Then after we went into Iraq the left began to unify around a general theme of anti-war sentiment. This eventually morphed into a general opposition to the tactics of the so-called &#039;War on Terror&#039;. By 2006 they were pretty well organized and presenting a unified opposition to the Bush administration on foreign policy and security matters. The financial meltdown last fall was just the icing on the cake. 

Eventually Republicans will do the same thing which is to start coalesce around specific ideas...most likely financially related. It just takes time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have made this point here before but it bears repeating: Typically in the early stages of an administration the just-defeated opposition is going to be almost completely reactionary. Look at Democrats circa 2000-2003. Bush basically set their agenda as they just endorsed the opposite of most of his positions. Then after we went into Iraq the left began to unify around a general theme of anti-war sentiment. This eventually morphed into a general opposition to the tactics of the so-called &#8216;War on Terror&#8217;. By 2006 they were pretty well organized and presenting a unified opposition to the Bush administration on foreign policy and security matters. The financial meltdown last fall was just the icing on the cake. </p>
<p>Eventually Republicans will do the same thing which is to start coalesce around specific ideas&#8230;most likely financially related. It just takes time.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott H. Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3290</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No snark detected, nor any offered, friend.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3289</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, no snark.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott H. Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/republicans-kris-kross-moment-i-missed-the-bus/#comment-3288</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott H. Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good show, Bob! Excellent question! I&#039;d been looking to engage my liberal side more moving forward, but for you a post shall follow. I look forward to the ensuing discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good show, Bob! Excellent question! I&#8217;d been looking to engage my liberal side more moving forward, but for you a post shall follow. I look forward to the ensuing discussion!</p>
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