Comments on: The Myth of Europeanism http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:39:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: the civilizational tango | The League of Ordinary Gentlemen http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-9429 the civilizational tango | The League of Ordinary Gentlemen Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:29:21 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-9429 [...] somewhere in between lies a balance.  Keeping people working and prosperous with a chance to “move up” is important both [...] [...] somewhere in between lies a balance.  Keeping people working and prosperous with a chance to “move up” is important both [...]

]]> By: The Fundamentals of Gay Marriage Are Strong « Vogue Republic http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3113 The Fundamentals of Gay Marriage Are Strong « Vogue Republic Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:01:31 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3113 [...] Thompson over at The League of Ordinary Gentlemen (my blog crush of the month) cuts through the crap cloud of hyperbolic, partisan crazy that hovers [...] [...] Thompson over at The League of Ordinary Gentlemen (my blog crush of the month) cuts through the crap cloud of hyperbolic, partisan crazy that hovers [...]

]]> By: Mark Thompson http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3104 Mark Thompson Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:04:02 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3104 Freddie: Poulos is always worth a look! I didn't know about that piece, which is vintage Poulos. He does seem to be more focused on the EU's problems of the moment than on the policies of individual European countries, but it's definitely relevant. Freddie: Poulos is always worth a look! I didn’t know about that piece, which is vintage Poulos. He does seem to be more focused on the EU’s problems of the moment than on the policies of individual European countries, but it’s definitely relevant.

]]> By: Freddie http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3103 Freddie Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:41:15 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3103 Did you check out James Poulos in the Boston Globe? Thought it might be worth a look in this context. http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/03/15/rethinking_europe/ Did you check out James Poulos in the Boston Globe? Thought it might be worth a look in this context.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/03/15/rethinking_europe/

]]> By: Bob http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3101 Bob Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:11:40 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3101 Ross Douthat covered the same topic a few days back, "The Case for Small Government," March 13, 2009. He seems to have reached pretty much the same conclusion. He writes, "That's because both the American and the European models of government are successful in purely practical terms, to the extent that purely practical terms exist - which is to say, both models have provided, over an extended period of time, levels of prosperity and stability unparalleled in human history. (Yes, the stresses that Islamic immigration and demographic decline are imposing on Europe are real and serious - but I think it's too soon to say, with Murray and many on the Right, that 'the European model can't continue to work much longer,' full stop." Douthat, as one would expect, gives greater weight to the moral/religious values supposedly found in American society than you do. You mention these in passing, Douthah writes, "How much do you prize voluntarism, entrepreneurship, and the value of lives oriented around service to one's family, and to God? The more you do, the more you'll find to like in the American arrangement." Yep, for Ross both systems are "practical" but Europe is that moral "hell hole" you mention but to your credit also reject. Ross Douthat covered the same topic a few days back, “The Case for Small Government,” March 13, 2009. He seems to have reached pretty much the same conclusion. He writes, “That’s because both the American and the European models of government are successful in purely practical terms, to the extent that purely practical terms exist – which is to say, both models have provided, over an extended period of time, levels of prosperity and stability unparalleled in human history. (Yes, the stresses that Islamic immigration and demographic decline are imposing on Europe are real and serious – but I think it’s too soon to say, with Murray and many on the Right, that ‘the European model can’t continue to work much longer,’ full stop.”

Douthat, as one would expect, gives greater weight to the moral/religious values supposedly found in American society than you do. You mention these in passing, Douthah writes, “How much do you prize voluntarism, entrepreneurship, and the value of lives oriented around service to one’s family, and to God? The more you do, the more you’ll find to like in the American arrangement.”

Yep, for Ross both systems are “practical” but Europe is that moral “hell hole” you mention but to your credit also reject.

]]> By: Mark Thompson http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3099 Mark Thompson Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:42:04 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3099 Jaybird: Good point. I had intended to make a similar point, but for whatever reason forgot to put it into the post. Thank you for reminding me. Jaybird:
Good point. I had intended to make a similar point, but for whatever reason forgot to put it into the post. Thank you for reminding me.

]]> By: Jaybird http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3098 Jaybird Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:40:14 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3098 It's a sample problem. All the folks who moved here from there are the folks most likely to say something to the effect of "I hated it over there, so I was willing to put up with your country's BS immigration system to move here." Seriously, if someone hates their country enough to put up with our BS immigration system, they will not be telling stories about how great it is back home. The folks who like it back there just fine... well. They don't interact with us over here as much. It’s a sample problem.

All the folks who moved here from there are the folks most likely to say something to the effect of “I hated it over there, so I was willing to put up with your country’s BS immigration system to move here.”

Seriously, if someone hates their country enough to put up with our BS immigration system, they will not be telling stories about how great it is back home.

The folks who like it back there just fine… well. They don’t interact with us over here as much.

]]> By: Donklephant » Blog Archive » The Myth of Europeanism http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-myth-of-europeanism/#comment-3097 Donklephant » Blog Archive » The Myth of Europeanism Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:17:18 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=1651#comment-3097 [...] at the League of Ordinary Gentlemen. This entry was posted on Monday, March 16th, 2009 and is filed under Conservatism, Dumb Things [...] [...] at the League of Ordinary Gentlemen. This entry was posted on Monday, March 16th, 2009 and is filed under Conservatism, Dumb Things [...]

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