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	<title>Comments on: the Web has a lot less to teach the print media than you think</title>
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		<title>By: Devo</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-web-has-a-lot-less-to-teach-the-print-media-than-you-think/#comment-3232</link>
		<dc:creator>Devo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Many journalists aren’t just whistling past the graveyard, they’re chortling past it. Perhaps I’m misreading, but I don’t actually see grim humor in the face of great sadness.&quot;

I think this is true BUT, as the partner of a journalist, most of this &quot;chortling&quot; is simply frustration.  They&#039;re frustrated by the changes, uncertain about their future, but most of all, enormously angry at perceived incompetence by various levels of management.  Many of them have seen changes coming for a long time, and many of those have tried to do something about it, either by blogging, retraining to shoot video as well as photo, or developing multimedia packages and projects.  At the same time, the insitutions themselves, with some notable exceptions, have been extremely slow to invest the kinds of resources it would take to make these new technologies work.  They&#039;d love a working revolution, as long as it doesn&#039;t cost any more money, involve hiring more than a handful of new people, and involve more than a week of retraining.  It&#039;s like relying on a week-long seminar to transition train conductors to airline pilots. I think for many, a healthy dose of that schadenfreude is directed at the people within their organization who get paid more money to make bad decisions.  Take the San Francisco Chronicle; it&#039;s been in the red for a decade, and Hearst squeezed various other network papers of profits to subsidize it, without any long-term solution to how they would turn it around.  It was money down the drain that could have been spent girding up for the digital push. And if you&#039;ve been working for them for ten years, at this point, it&#039;s just pointless to get angry anymore.  Why not laugh? It doesn&#039;t get any more &quot;grim&quot; than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many journalists aren’t just whistling past the graveyard, they’re chortling past it. Perhaps I’m misreading, but I don’t actually see grim humor in the face of great sadness.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is true BUT, as the partner of a journalist, most of this &#8220;chortling&#8221; is simply frustration.  They&#8217;re frustrated by the changes, uncertain about their future, but most of all, enormously angry at perceived incompetence by various levels of management.  Many of them have seen changes coming for a long time, and many of those have tried to do something about it, either by blogging, retraining to shoot video as well as photo, or developing multimedia packages and projects.  At the same time, the insitutions themselves, with some notable exceptions, have been extremely slow to invest the kinds of resources it would take to make these new technologies work.  They&#8217;d love a working revolution, as long as it doesn&#8217;t cost any more money, involve hiring more than a handful of new people, and involve more than a week of retraining.  It&#8217;s like relying on a week-long seminar to transition train conductors to airline pilots. I think for many, a healthy dose of that schadenfreude is directed at the people within their organization who get paid more money to make bad decisions.  Take the San Francisco Chronicle; it&#8217;s been in the red for a decade, and Hearst squeezed various other network papers of profits to subsidize it, without any long-term solution to how they would turn it around.  It was money down the drain that could have been spent girding up for the digital push. And if you&#8217;ve been working for them for ten years, at this point, it&#8217;s just pointless to get angry anymore.  Why not laugh? It doesn&#8217;t get any more &#8220;grim&#8221; than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty simple, anonymous-- input=ouput. Same as it ever was. And I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever been rendered angry by something on the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty simple, anonymous&#8211; input=ouput. Same as it ever was. And I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever been rendered angry by something on the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 02:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.&quot;

Freddie, please take a walk and get some sunlight tomorrow. Commenters will make mildly nit-picky corrections all the time. If you&#039;re the blogger, it&#039;s best to keep it mature and not make a veiled reference to what a loser the commenter must be. I&#039;m really not saying this to be mean, but you come off as quite a bit angry in both your posts and comments (ie more than just passionate about your arguments).  You are also sometimes needlessly disparaging of the person with whom you&#039;re arguing. I really suggest that, no matter your beliefs, you avoid allowing political arguments to consume you and make you so visibly angry at others. You&#039;re a good writer, but I really feel that this is affecting your writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Freddie, please take a walk and get some sunlight tomorrow. Commenters will make mildly nit-picky corrections all the time. If you&#8217;re the blogger, it&#8217;s best to keep it mature and not make a veiled reference to what a loser the commenter must be. I&#8217;m really not saying this to be mean, but you come off as quite a bit angry in both your posts and comments (ie more than just passionate about your arguments).  You are also sometimes needlessly disparaging of the person with whom you&#8217;re arguing. I really suggest that, no matter your beliefs, you avoid allowing political arguments to consume you and make you so visibly angry at others. You&#8217;re a good writer, but I really feel that this is affecting your writing.</p>
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		<title>By: pwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>pwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newspapers only need to do one thing to be profitable: try.</description>
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		<title>By: pwb</title>
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		<dc:creator>pwb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie, when marginal costs are zero you have to go with &quot;free&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie, when marginal costs are zero you have to go with &#8220;free&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Deaver</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-web-has-a-lot-less-to-teach-the-print-media-than-you-think/#comment-3202</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Deaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And heeding my own wisdom, &quot;your&quot; is not &quot;you&#039;re&quot;. Mea culpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And heeding my own wisdom, &#8220;your&#8221; is not &#8220;you&#8217;re&#8221;. Mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Deaver</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-web-has-a-lot-less-to-teach-the-print-media-than-you-think/#comment-3201</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Deaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So I can’t understand lauding the brilliance of Craigslist when they have in essense taken an established business model and rendered its profitability a tiny fraction of what it once was.&lt;/i&gt;

The point your are missing is that the advent of instantaneous, paperless publishing rendered the value of the business model a fraction of what it once was.  Craigslist did not do that, the inevitable march of innovation did that. As surely as gravity sucks down.

This is the same lesson the record companies, after spending enormous sums to buy politicians to defend their business model, after spending enormous sums to buy researchers to develop DRM schemes that were doomed to fail,  and after spending enormous sums to spy on and sue their customers, have finally learned; their business model is obsolete, and the market value of their product is now a fraction of what it once was.  It took Apple -- after years of  to experiments, most of which failed -- to discover a new, workable business model and force the record companies to face reality.

The newspaper business model is based on one thing, selling ads. When an advertiser&#039;s access to &quot;eyeballs&quot; was dear, the value of that ad space was valuable, and the business model sound. Now that access is ubiquitous, ad space is worth a fraction of what it once was, and the business model is no longer viable.  Gravity, sucking down. Again.

If a hundred years ago society had done everything possible to save every buggywhip making job in America, there still wouldn&#039;t be any buggywhip making jobs in America. The newspaper business is  not any more sacred than any other industry whose time has passed. Deal with it, and stop shooting the messenger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So I can’t understand lauding the brilliance of Craigslist when they have in essense taken an established business model and rendered its profitability a tiny fraction of what it once was.</i></p>
<p>The point your are missing is that the advent of instantaneous, paperless publishing rendered the value of the business model a fraction of what it once was.  Craigslist did not do that, the inevitable march of innovation did that. As surely as gravity sucks down.</p>
<p>This is the same lesson the record companies, after spending enormous sums to buy politicians to defend their business model, after spending enormous sums to buy researchers to develop DRM schemes that were doomed to fail,  and after spending enormous sums to spy on and sue their customers, have finally learned; their business model is obsolete, and the market value of their product is now a fraction of what it once was.  It took Apple &#8212; after years of  to experiments, most of which failed &#8212; to discover a new, workable business model and force the record companies to face reality.</p>
<p>The newspaper business model is based on one thing, selling ads. When an advertiser&#8217;s access to &#8220;eyeballs&#8221; was dear, the value of that ad space was valuable, and the business model sound. Now that access is ubiquitous, ad space is worth a fraction of what it once was, and the business model is no longer viable.  Gravity, sucking down. Again.</p>
<p>If a hundred years ago society had done everything possible to save every buggywhip making job in America, there still wouldn&#8217;t be any buggywhip making jobs in America. The newspaper business is  not any more sacred than any other industry whose time has passed. Deal with it, and stop shooting the messenger.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Deaver</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/03/the-web-has-a-lot-less-to-teach-the-print-media-than-you-think/#comment-3199</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Deaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.&lt;/i&gt;

You are correct. People who who think misusing words is unimportant should not be corrected.  They should be ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m trying to imagine a day in my life so slow that I spend my time correcting word usage on a blog’s comments.</i></p>
<p>You are correct. People who who think misusing words is unimportant should not be corrected.  They should be ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: no trees were harmed in the making of this blog &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
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		<dc:creator>no trees were harmed in the making of this blog &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technology that modern science has produced.  That the internet is also largely responsible for the demise of the newspapers, is one of the costs attributed with rapid technological advancement.  While I mourn the loss of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] technology that modern science has produced.  That the internet is also largely responsible for the demise of the newspapers, is one of the costs attributed with rapid technological advancement.  While I mourn the loss of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gah</title>
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		<dc:creator>gah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with craigslist classifieds is that they suck. if you have to advertise an apartment for rent, as I do every so often, you&#039;ve got to do a lot more work to keep it in front of people, a lot fewer of whom show up. your listing keeps falling to the bottom. when i advertised my rental unit in the Wash DC free weekly, every time I counted the responses in the dozen. with craigslist, you&#039;ve got to keep refreshing it and figuring out ways to thwart its ban on re-posting. yes, you can delete your previous ads, but more than a few people have told me they bookmarked the earlier ads only to find them gone. with a newspaper, you open it, hunt for apartments you like, check them off and check them out. it&#039;s all right in front of you and you can carry it in your pocket. I&#039;ve done it both ways numerous times and there&#039;s no comparison--newspapers always got me a better volume of responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with craigslist classifieds is that they suck. if you have to advertise an apartment for rent, as I do every so often, you&#8217;ve got to do a lot more work to keep it in front of people, a lot fewer of whom show up. your listing keeps falling to the bottom. when i advertised my rental unit in the Wash DC free weekly, every time I counted the responses in the dozen. with craigslist, you&#8217;ve got to keep refreshing it and figuring out ways to thwart its ban on re-posting. yes, you can delete your previous ads, but more than a few people have told me they bookmarked the earlier ads only to find them gone. with a newspaper, you open it, hunt for apartments you like, check them off and check them out. it&#8217;s all right in front of you and you can carry it in your pocket. I&#8217;ve done it both ways numerous times and there&#8217;s no comparison&#8211;newspapers always got me a better volume of responses.</p>
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