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		<title>By: Nemo Nihil</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-8163</link>
		<dc:creator>Nemo Nihil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 17:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I had a vehicle/speed-related skull impact accident that fractured my skull in several different directions, and left a sizable dent in my skull at age 13. You&#039;d assume I&#039;d be pro-helmet, right? Well, think again. That incident showed me just how well the skull actually protects the brain matter underneath -- there was no discernible scarring on my brain below the impact point or anywhere else, for that matter.

However, my problem with helmets is more of practicality. If I wear a helmet, that doesn&#039;t mitigate any risk of neck damage. Neck damage often causes paralysis, whereas open-head injuries often enough just lead to death, which is preferred to being a vegetable in my book. Oh, but wait...I guess we could all run out and by neck guards, too, right? Maybe knee pads and elbow pads too, since there&#039;s a good chance of screwing up a joint if you wipe out. Or, maybe just a full body suit? Hmm...

I actually agree with what others have stated. The risk is mine to take, and since your &#039;helmet&#039; solution doesn&#039;t adequately address my concerns (accident leaving me paralyzed, car hitting me leaving me paralyzed) I see very little reason to even bother buying one, and that is *MY* choice to make -- not yours.

If you choose to do idiotic, risky things on your bike and the helmet comforts you by all means use it. However, *don&#039;t* try to force your beliefs on others. Contrary to what you believe, the universe does *not* revolve around you and your own little world, and what&#039;s best for your situation isn&#039;t always going to be best for the next person.

Oh, and one final thought. That helmet you wear? It&#039;s an extra burden to have to keep track of and make sure nobody steals when you get to your destination. I prefer to travel light so I can travel fast, and that has the added benefit that when I get to my destination I can just secure the bike and be done with it just as if I&#039;d driven in in a car</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I had a vehicle/speed-related skull impact accident that fractured my skull in several different directions, and left a sizable dent in my skull at age 13. You&#8217;d assume I&#8217;d be pro-helmet, right? Well, think again. That incident showed me just how well the skull actually protects the brain matter underneath &#8212; there was no discernible scarring on my brain below the impact point or anywhere else, for that matter.</p>
<p>However, my problem with helmets is more of practicality. If I wear a helmet, that doesn&#8217;t mitigate any risk of neck damage. Neck damage often causes paralysis, whereas open-head injuries often enough just lead to death, which is preferred to being a vegetable in my book. Oh, but wait&#8230;I guess we could all run out and by neck guards, too, right? Maybe knee pads and elbow pads too, since there&#8217;s a good chance of screwing up a joint if you wipe out. Or, maybe just a full body suit? Hmm&#8230;</p>
<p>I actually agree with what others have stated. The risk is mine to take, and since your &#8216;helmet&#8217; solution doesn&#8217;t adequately address my concerns (accident leaving me paralyzed, car hitting me leaving me paralyzed) I see very little reason to even bother buying one, and that is *MY* choice to make &#8212; not yours.</p>
<p>If you choose to do idiotic, risky things on your bike and the helmet comforts you by all means use it. However, *don&#8217;t* try to force your beliefs on others. Contrary to what you believe, the universe does *not* revolve around you and your own little world, and what&#8217;s best for your situation isn&#8217;t always going to be best for the next person.</p>
<p>Oh, and one final thought. That helmet you wear? It&#8217;s an extra burden to have to keep track of and make sure nobody steals when you get to your destination. I prefer to travel light so I can travel fast, and that has the added benefit that when I get to my destination I can just secure the bike and be done with it just as if I&#8217;d driven in in a car</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7503</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument that everyone has to pay for your injury or death is false on two counts.  First and most important, that is an argument against universal health care, not against choosing risky behaviour.   It is a warning to you that I will gain a legitimate say, maybe even a right, over every aspect of your lifestyle once I am forced to pay for it. 

Second, contrary to urban myth, dying early of any cause (biking, cigaretttes) actually reduces cost of healthcare over-all, no matter how much is spent on the attempt to save the life.   Under universal health-care, there will actually be a motivation for the government to reduce life-spans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument that everyone has to pay for your injury or death is false on two counts.  First and most important, that is an argument against universal health care, not against choosing risky behaviour.   It is a warning to you that I will gain a legitimate say, maybe even a right, over every aspect of your lifestyle once I am forced to pay for it. </p>
<p>Second, contrary to urban myth, dying early of any cause (biking, cigaretttes) actually reduces cost of healthcare over-all, no matter how much is spent on the attempt to save the life.   Under universal health-care, there will actually be a motivation for the government to reduce life-spans.</p>
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		<title>By: strech</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7192</link>
		<dc:creator>strech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you don’t wear a helmet, you increase the likelihood of serious brain injury in an accident. Should you end up permanently disabled, your medical costs will be paid for by the government for the rest of your life. Your choice to not wear a helmet is also a choice to make your fellow taxpayers assume the cost of the risks inherent in said choice.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This logic justifies the government running virtually every facet of your life.  Almost every action we take has an inherent danger, and almost every action therefore has a lower-risk alternative.  This does not mean the government can or should dictate the lower danger alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you don’t wear a helmet, you increase the likelihood of serious brain injury in an accident. Should you end up permanently disabled, your medical costs will be paid for by the government for the rest of your life. Your choice to not wear a helmet is also a choice to make your fellow taxpayers assume the cost of the risks inherent in said choice.</p></blockquote>
<p>This logic justifies the government running virtually every facet of your life.  Almost every action we take has an inherent danger, and almost every action therefore has a lower-risk alternative.  This does not mean the government can or should dictate the lower danger alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Cascadian</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7092</link>
		<dc:creator>Cascadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 13:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: It&#039;s the myopia of the sheeple.  A similar example is mountain climbing.  Back in the day there was a debate about allowing people to do hard climbs on the cliffs or Yosemite or the big mountains in the NW.  The argument was that they are dangerous and potentially require expensive rescues.  The truth is that it&#039;s vastly more expensive to find a lost unprepared tourist than to pluck an unlucky climber off the most difficult face on El Capitan.   Of course, should you suggest that Americans not be allowed to wander in the woods unprepared with their families or not be allowed to gorge themselves at a Micky D&#039;s, you&#039;d hear all about freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: It&#8217;s the myopia of the sheeple.  A similar example is mountain climbing.  Back in the day there was a debate about allowing people to do hard climbs on the cliffs or Yosemite or the big mountains in the NW.  The argument was that they are dangerous and potentially require expensive rescues.  The truth is that it&#8217;s vastly more expensive to find a lost unprepared tourist than to pluck an unlucky climber off the most difficult face on El Capitan.   Of course, should you suggest that Americans not be allowed to wander in the woods unprepared with their families or not be allowed to gorge themselves at a Micky D&#8217;s, you&#8217;d hear all about freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7090</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 12:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say it all a different way.

Obviously it is better for my health to wear a helmet if I ride a bike.  I lower the risk of traumatic injury substantially.  That said, although anecdotal evidence of catastrophic consequences abounds, in fact the actual risk of such injury is low.  (Indeed the risk declines on a per mile basis the more one rides.)  It&#039;s a low risk but God help the magazine or newspaper publisher who prints a photo of someone on a bike without a helmet.  On the whole Americans assume much greater health risks every day - simply getting into their cars, eating fatty foods and in excess, not riding their bikes at all ever.  These are choices, all of them - choices with profoundly adverse and expensive public health consequences.  But the *debates* always seem to be about helmets.  And the tone is always hostile, condescending, and sanctimonious.  I&#039;m tired of it!  I wish people would quit; or spread some of that self-righteousness around a bit at least.  There are plenty of equally deserving bad practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say it all a different way.</p>
<p>Obviously it is better for my health to wear a helmet if I ride a bike.  I lower the risk of traumatic injury substantially.  That said, although anecdotal evidence of catastrophic consequences abounds, in fact the actual risk of such injury is low.  (Indeed the risk declines on a per mile basis the more one rides.)  It&#8217;s a low risk but God help the magazine or newspaper publisher who prints a photo of someone on a bike without a helmet.  On the whole Americans assume much greater health risks every day &#8211; simply getting into their cars, eating fatty foods and in excess, not riding their bikes at all ever.  These are choices, all of them &#8211; choices with profoundly adverse and expensive public health consequences.  But the *debates* always seem to be about helmets.  And the tone is always hostile, condescending, and sanctimonious.  I&#8217;m tired of it!  I wish people would quit; or spread some of that self-righteousness around a bit at least.  There are plenty of equally deserving bad practices.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7089</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 11:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  The cost of my poor choice would be borne by the taxpayer.  I bet though that my poor choice to &quot;ride a bike a lot but without a helmet&quot; is still a better one for my own health, and for the taxpayer&#039;s pocket, than the next fellow&#039;s choice &quot;never to ride a bike at all and live out life in a state of chronic obesity&quot;.  There are millions more people like that, draining precious and expensive health care resources by reason of *their* choices, than there are helmetless bike victim vegetables.  How come no one ever complains about paying the costs of *those* risks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  The cost of my poor choice would be borne by the taxpayer.  I bet though that my poor choice to &#8220;ride a bike a lot but without a helmet&#8221; is still a better one for my own health, and for the taxpayer&#8217;s pocket, than the next fellow&#8217;s choice &#8220;never to ride a bike at all and live out life in a state of chronic obesity&#8221;.  There are millions more people like that, draining precious and expensive health care resources by reason of *their* choices, than there are helmetless bike victim vegetables.  How come no one ever complains about paying the costs of *those* risks?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7086</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 05:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John/29 - very much not a Libertarian take on the situation.  If you don&#039;t wear a helmet, you increase the likelihood of serious brain injury in an accident.  Should you end up permanently disabled, your medical costs will be paid for by the government for the rest of your life.  Your choice to not wear a helmet is also a choice to make your fellow taxpayers assume the cost of the risks inherent in said choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John/29 &#8211; very much not a Libertarian take on the situation.  If you don&#8217;t wear a helmet, you increase the likelihood of serious brain injury in an accident.  Should you end up permanently disabled, your medical costs will be paid for by the government for the rest of your life.  Your choice to not wear a helmet is also a choice to make your fellow taxpayers assume the cost of the risks inherent in said choice.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-7002</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t worry about a nanny state and it wouldn&#039;t break my heart if helmets were made mandatory.  The only thing I object to is the self-righteousness certitude of (certain) pro-helmet advocates.  It&#039;s a choice.  Maybe a bad one - but there are many common ones that are worse.  Indeed people make all *kinds* of stupid, societally irresponsible choices , every day.  So on the rare day I decide to leave my helmet at home, please spare me the sanctimoniousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t worry about a nanny state and it wouldn&#8217;t break my heart if helmets were made mandatory.  The only thing I object to is the self-righteousness certitude of (certain) pro-helmet advocates.  It&#8217;s a choice.  Maybe a bad one &#8211; but there are many common ones that are worse.  Indeed people make all *kinds* of stupid, societally irresponsible choices , every day.  So on the rare day I decide to leave my helmet at home, please spare me the sanctimoniousness.</p>
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		<title>By: kamajii</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-6993</link>
		<dc:creator>kamajii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah jeez, jcricket, now you&#039;ve gone and ruined everything by being all reasonable and all... but I can&#039;t wait to use &#039;risk homeostasis&#039; in my next libertarian encounter, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah jeez, jcricket, now you&#8217;ve gone and ruined everything by being all reasonable and all&#8230; but I can&#8217;t wait to use &#8216;risk homeostasis&#8217; in my next libertarian encounter, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: jcricket</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/05/to-helmet-or-not-to-helmet/#comment-6989</link>
		<dc:creator>jcricket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 20:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The phenomenon Robert is describing is called risk homeostasis. And like most grandiose ideas that underly a Libertarian-ish sensibility, they have bear little resemblance to actual human behavior. Risk homeostasis is one of the most over-diagnosed phenomenons out there, it&#039;s like when Libertarians similarly state that people over-use healthcare if it&#039;s free (which sounds reasonable, but is demonstrably false on a macro-level) as a reason to justify co-pays.

And then subsequent posters have appealed to the slippery slope as well. Which is fine and good in the abstract, but basically useless as an actual guiding principle in situations. Fundamentally, societal mores drive what level of risk and regulation we&#039;re willing to put up with. It used to be we figured &quot;well, kids working in coal mines is fine, as long as they get Sunday to rest&quot;, whereas now we regulate air quality and working hours, even for adults. Using the &quot;reductio ad absurdum&quot; argument we could say, &quot;what&#039;s next? No one being allowed to work at all&quot;? But we don&#039;t, we judge each situation individually, make decisions, and sometimes use those decisions as the basis for future decisions (sometimes not). Sometimes we even change our mind and repeal poorly thought out regulations/laws. Shocker.

I think we know enough now about the consequences of head injuries (to both the rider and the society paying for their injury) involving bikes, motorcycles to reasonably mandate helmet wearing without fearing a complete takeover by some supposed nanny state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phenomenon Robert is describing is called risk homeostasis. And like most grandiose ideas that underly a Libertarian-ish sensibility, they have bear little resemblance to actual human behavior. Risk homeostasis is one of the most over-diagnosed phenomenons out there, it&#8217;s like when Libertarians similarly state that people over-use healthcare if it&#8217;s free (which sounds reasonable, but is demonstrably false on a macro-level) as a reason to justify co-pays.</p>
<p>And then subsequent posters have appealed to the slippery slope as well. Which is fine and good in the abstract, but basically useless as an actual guiding principle in situations. Fundamentally, societal mores drive what level of risk and regulation we&#8217;re willing to put up with. It used to be we figured &#8220;well, kids working in coal mines is fine, as long as they get Sunday to rest&#8221;, whereas now we regulate air quality and working hours, even for adults. Using the &#8220;reductio ad absurdum&#8221; argument we could say, &#8220;what&#8217;s next? No one being allowed to work at all&#8221;? But we don&#8217;t, we judge each situation individually, make decisions, and sometimes use those decisions as the basis for future decisions (sometimes not). Sometimes we even change our mind and repeal poorly thought out regulations/laws. Shocker.</p>
<p>I think we know enough now about the consequences of head injuries (to both the rider and the society paying for their injury) involving bikes, motorcycles to reasonably mandate helmet wearing without fearing a complete takeover by some supposed nanny state.</p>
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