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		<title>By: Nancy Irving</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10925</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Irving</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 05:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nor am I suggesting that I am entirely unsympathetic to unchosen feelings regarding race. I personally don’t feel entirely the same way, walking through a largely black neighborhood or largely Hispanic neighborhood, as I do walking through a largely white neighborhood. I can only respond to those feelings with a rededication to making my actions equitable and fair. &quot;

This is exactly right.  We all of us have racist feelings, or other bigoted attitudes like anti-Semitism.  The people who create the most problems are those who won&#039;t admit their common, human fallibility.  And those in the public realm who globalize this attitude, claiming that racism is a thing of the past, do the most harm.

Admitting it, and working to change it as you do, makes you part of the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nor am I suggesting that I am entirely unsympathetic to unchosen feelings regarding race. I personally don’t feel entirely the same way, walking through a largely black neighborhood or largely Hispanic neighborhood, as I do walking through a largely white neighborhood. I can only respond to those feelings with a rededication to making my actions equitable and fair. &#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly right.  We all of us have racist feelings, or other bigoted attitudes like anti-Semitism.  The people who create the most problems are those who won&#8217;t admit their common, human fallibility.  And those in the public realm who globalize this attitude, claiming that racism is a thing of the past, do the most harm.</p>
<p>Admitting it, and working to change it as you do, makes you part of the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Luisa</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10886</link>
		<dc:creator>Luisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before he was famous, intrepid white guy and stat-wonk Nate Silver cruised that area [on foot, no less] for burritos.  Here&#039;s his old blog: http://burritobracket.blogspot.com/

The last time I checked, there were more people of Mexican descent in Chicago than in any other U.S. city save L.A. or San Antonio.  Though I&#039;m sure it was a Boricua that took the phone. [Yes, I&#039;m Mexican-American.] 
 
Classic &#039;racial panic&#039; scene from John Waters&#039; film Hairspray [starts at 8:45 or so]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNXOUiN4Nu4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before he was famous, intrepid white guy and stat-wonk Nate Silver cruised that area [on foot, no less] for burritos.  Here&#8217;s his old blog: <a href="http://burritobracket.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://burritobracket.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>The last time I checked, there were more people of Mexican descent in Chicago than in any other U.S. city save L.A. or San Antonio.  Though I&#8217;m sure it was a Boricua that took the phone. [Yes, I'm Mexican-American.] </p>
<p>Classic &#8216;racial panic&#8217; scene from John Waters&#8217; film Hairspray [starts at 8:45 or so]: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNXOUiN4Nu4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNXOUiN4Nu4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10877</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And, as careful as the poster was in writing the post, it provoked comments that are far more unapologetic and frank in their racism. I suppose you can’t blame people for writing them. They are only making plain precisely the attitudes the original poster is quietly relying on.&quot;

The above-quoted text is the best part of this post, and it&#039;s a decent enough post.  There&#039;s something to the idea that certain public figures in the political establishment implicitly stoke the ashes of race-based discontent without employing any type of outright animosity.  Others&#039; picking up on this enabling language, however, does free up the offender to then himself become the victim of hateful speech or reverse racism, as Matt Yglesias has amply documented.

But then, I guess that&#039;s the whole idea of race-baiting.  This slowly dawned on me as I wrote this.  Welcome to the real world, Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And, as careful as the poster was in writing the post, it provoked comments that are far more unapologetic and frank in their racism. I suppose you can’t blame people for writing them. They are only making plain precisely the attitudes the original poster is quietly relying on.&#8221;</p>
<p>The above-quoted text is the best part of this post, and it&#8217;s a decent enough post.  There&#8217;s something to the idea that certain public figures in the political establishment implicitly stoke the ashes of race-based discontent without employing any type of outright animosity.  Others&#8217; picking up on this enabling language, however, does free up the offender to then himself become the victim of hateful speech or reverse racism, as Matt Yglesias has amply documented.</p>
<p>But then, I guess that&#8217;s the whole idea of race-baiting.  This slowly dawned on me as I wrote this.  Welcome to the real world, Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... because they have the resources to use intermediaries that do the actual hand-to-hand interactions that most often result in violence, among other advantages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; because they have the resources to use intermediaries that do the actual hand-to-hand interactions that most often result in violence, among other advantages.</p>
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		<title>By: paul h.</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul h.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If by generalization you mean &quot;empirical fact,&quot; then sure.  And middle/upper-class white people tend to use drugs without involving peripheral crime (if the Wire taught me anything, it&#039;s that &quot;the bodies&quot; bring the police).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If by generalization you mean &#8220;empirical fact,&#8221; then sure.  And middle/upper-class white people tend to use drugs without involving peripheral crime (if the Wire taught me anything, it&#8217;s that &#8220;the bodies&#8221; bring the police).</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But those who immediately and harshly react to any suggestion of racial impropriety don’t want any discussion at all. And that’s what a really huge amount of our racial dialogue, at present, amounts to, a sustained campaign to whittle down the parameters of appropriate debate, and to cast anyone who alleges racism or something like it out of the bounds of respectability.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this is exactly right.  In this respect, segments of the Right resemble segments of the Left who advocate anti-hate-speech rules.  Both posit that certain words (racial epithets, or accusations of racism) somehow break the marketplace of ideas and render the target incapable of response.  This is ridiculous.  The right response to both is more speech.  You respond to the bigot with condemnation and ridicule, you respond to the race-pimp who unjustifiably cries racism with condemnation and ridicule.  

There is genuine political correctness we should be concerned about -- like the censorious abuse of official power that The FIRE fights against, for instance.  But nowadays too many people use &quot;political correctness&quot; to mean &quot;that unpleasant prevailing social condition under which I cannot act like an asshat without someone calling me an asshat.&quot;  Bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But those who immediately and harshly react to any suggestion of racial impropriety don’t want any discussion at all. And that’s what a really huge amount of our racial dialogue, at present, amounts to, a sustained campaign to whittle down the parameters of appropriate debate, and to cast anyone who alleges racism or something like it out of the bounds of respectability.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is exactly right.  In this respect, segments of the Right resemble segments of the Left who advocate anti-hate-speech rules.  Both posit that certain words (racial epithets, or accusations of racism) somehow break the marketplace of ideas and render the target incapable of response.  This is ridiculous.  The right response to both is more speech.  You respond to the bigot with condemnation and ridicule, you respond to the race-pimp who unjustifiably cries racism with condemnation and ridicule.  </p>
<p>There is genuine political correctness we should be concerned about &#8212; like the censorious abuse of official power that The FIRE fights against, for instance.  But nowadays too many people use &#8220;political correctness&#8221; to mean &#8220;that unpleasant prevailing social condition under which I cannot act like an asshat without someone calling me an asshat.&#8221;  Bunk.</p>
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		<title>By: mike farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10842</link>
		<dc:creator>mike farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the conditions of neighborhoods plays a part. Most middle and upper class white people walking through a place like Cabbage Town in Atlanta, the way it was back in the 60s, would be afraid -- just because of the smell, the disrepair of homes, the characters on the street, the loud yelling, the dogs running free -- it all gives the impression of danger -- yet Cabbage Town was all white. Blighted areas can be scary in and of themselves. Impoverished areas send signals to most people of ignorance, violence, drug use, alcoholism, crime, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the conditions of neighborhoods plays a part. Most middle and upper class white people walking through a place like Cabbage Town in Atlanta, the way it was back in the 60s, would be afraid &#8212; just because of the smell, the disrepair of homes, the characters on the street, the loud yelling, the dogs running free &#8212; it all gives the impression of danger &#8212; yet Cabbage Town was all white. Blighted areas can be scary in and of themselves. Impoverished areas send signals to most people of ignorance, violence, drug use, alcoholism, crime, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10840</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I rather liked the anti-Apple dig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I rather liked the anti-Apple dig.</p>
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		<title>By: willybobo</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/breaking-news-people-often-feel-racial-panic/#comment-10837</link>
		<dc:creator>willybobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s true, Paul, that there is more crime in the average minority-dominant neighborhood than the average white-dominant neighborhood.  But it might also be true that poor neighborhoods have more crime than wealthy ones, but the iPhone blog post author makes no mention of the relative wealth of the neighborhood he&#039;s in.  Maybe neighborhoods where shorter people live are statistically more correlated with violence as well, but again he makes no mention of the height of people.  

Rather, we&#039;ve been sensitized to race as the marker of such things.  It may in fact be a less perfect predictor of anything (I don&#039;t know, because we don&#039;t compile and publish enough census data on other plausibly useful characteristics) but we have learned to notice and accept it&#039;s importance &lt;i&gt;prima facie&lt;/i&gt; at the exclusion of other, potentially more relevant information about the people we&#039;re around.  And when we tell stories like this one, we reify those racial details as the important ones.  

But we don&#039;t talk much about why indeed those are the important elements of the story, the essential details that convey who the characters are and what we&#039;re to think of them.  Thanks for prompting us to have more of that conversation, Freddie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s true, Paul, that there is more crime in the average minority-dominant neighborhood than the average white-dominant neighborhood.  But it might also be true that poor neighborhoods have more crime than wealthy ones, but the iPhone blog post author makes no mention of the relative wealth of the neighborhood he&#8217;s in.  Maybe neighborhoods where shorter people live are statistically more correlated with violence as well, but again he makes no mention of the height of people.  </p>
<p>Rather, we&#8217;ve been sensitized to race as the marker of such things.  It may in fact be a less perfect predictor of anything (I don&#8217;t know, because we don&#8217;t compile and publish enough census data on other plausibly useful characteristics) but we have learned to notice and accept it&#8217;s importance <i>prima facie</i> at the exclusion of other, potentially more relevant information about the people we&#8217;re around.  And when we tell stories like this one, we reify those racial details as the important ones.  </p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t talk much about why indeed those are the important elements of the story, the essential details that convey who the characters are and what we&#8217;re to think of them.  Thanks for prompting us to have more of that conversation, Freddie.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that saying something to the effect of &quot;you shouldn&#039;t have felt the way you felt&quot; gets heard as &quot;you should not talk about such things&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that saying something to the effect of &#8220;you shouldn&#8217;t have felt the way you felt&#8221; gets heard as &#8220;you should not talk about such things&#8221;.</p>
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