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		<title>By: Chris Dierkes</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12268</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 02:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine,

You may be right.  Romney won some states out West (where he is strong) and some uncontested ones but he just wears poorly.  By all rights it should be his--he&#039;s got the money, he&#039;s got business background, well organized.  But he just doesn&#039;t have that thing.  

No Republican won in the 20th (and 21st) century without Ohio.  Could Romney win Ohio?  Being a native Buckeye, I gotta say no.  Romney could in theory put pressure on Obama out West (Nevada, Colorado shading purple/blue, New Mexico).  But he&#039;s weak in the Midwest.  

In terms of whether Romney is a moderate or social con, he&#039;s really a politician who&#039;ll say anything.  He ran in Mass where being socially liberal was popular so that&#039;s what he was.  He ran for GOP nomination and so he became a social con (in rhetoric).  He just comes off so gimmicky--national security was in so he promised to Double Gitmo.  He&#039;s just very goofy.  But the GOP nomination is much shorter than the Dems.  If he wins NH, NV, then he needs to win Florida then it&#039;s his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine,</p>
<p>You may be right.  Romney won some states out West (where he is strong) and some uncontested ones but he just wears poorly.  By all rights it should be his&#8211;he&#8217;s got the money, he&#8217;s got business background, well organized.  But he just doesn&#8217;t have that thing.  </p>
<p>No Republican won in the 20th (and 21st) century without Ohio.  Could Romney win Ohio?  Being a native Buckeye, I gotta say no.  Romney could in theory put pressure on Obama out West (Nevada, Colorado shading purple/blue, New Mexico).  But he&#8217;s weak in the Midwest.  </p>
<p>In terms of whether Romney is a moderate or social con, he&#8217;s really a politician who&#8217;ll say anything.  He ran in Mass where being socially liberal was popular so that&#8217;s what he was.  He ran for GOP nomination and so he became a social con (in rhetoric).  He just comes off so gimmicky&#8211;national security was in so he promised to Double Gitmo.  He&#8217;s just very goofy.  But the GOP nomination is much shorter than the Dems.  If he wins NH, NV, then he needs to win Florida then it&#8217;s his.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12263</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The social conservative component of the GOP is only growing. I don’t see how he wins them. They vote on personal identification (Reagan, Bush II, Huck/Palin) never mind Romney’s Mormonism which only makes it that much harder for him.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t think this is right at all.  There&#039;s little evidence from the primaries that evangelicals have a problem with Romney.  He won most of the caucuses and the red states outside the south, which indicates that his popularity was &lt;i&gt;strongest&lt;/i&gt; with the Republican base.  The south voted for Huckabee, but I expect that&#039;s mainly due to regional affinity rather than an antipathy towards Mormons.  And Romney doesn&#039;t need the south - he&#039;s not a moderate (his statements in the 2008 primary were doctrinaire talking-point Republicanism) but he may be able to present himself as one due to his stint as Mass. governor and I don&#039;t see anyone who has a better chance of winning primaries in the large blue states.

Barring some new, as-yet-unforeseen candidate, the nomination in 2012 will be Romney&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The social conservative component of the GOP is only growing. I don’t see how he wins them. They vote on personal identification (Reagan, Bush II, Huck/Palin) never mind Romney’s Mormonism which only makes it that much harder for him.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is right at all.  There&#8217;s little evidence from the primaries that evangelicals have a problem with Romney.  He won most of the caucuses and the red states outside the south, which indicates that his popularity was <i>strongest</i> with the Republican base.  The south voted for Huckabee, but I expect that&#8217;s mainly due to regional affinity rather than an antipathy towards Mormons.  And Romney doesn&#8217;t need the south &#8211; he&#8217;s not a moderate (his statements in the 2008 primary were doctrinaire talking-point Republicanism) but he may be able to present himself as one due to his stint as Mass. governor and I don&#8217;t see anyone who has a better chance of winning primaries in the large blue states.</p>
<p>Barring some new, as-yet-unforeseen candidate, the nomination in 2012 will be Romney&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dierkes</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12159</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>c,

I dig the phrase well-coiffed grave.  I think it was supposed to be set up for him in &#039;08 but Huckabee ruined it.  There are even less moderates and economic Republicans then there were last time.  The social conservative component of the GOP is only growing.  I don&#039;t see how he wins them.  They vote on personal identification (Reagan, Bush II, Huck/Palin) never mind Romney&#039;s Mormonism which only makes it that much harder for him.  As I said before, I really think to win the GOP is going to have to come with a different economic platform and Romney could never realistically sell a middle class outreach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>c,</p>
<p>I dig the phrase well-coiffed grave.  I think it was supposed to be set up for him in &#8216;08 but Huckabee ruined it.  There are even less moderates and economic Republicans then there were last time.  The social conservative component of the GOP is only growing.  I don&#8217;t see how he wins them.  They vote on personal identification (Reagan, Bush II, Huck/Palin) never mind Romney&#8217;s Mormonism which only makes it that much harder for him.  As I said before, I really think to win the GOP is going to have to come with a different economic platform and Romney could never realistically sell a middle class outreach.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12144</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitt Romney is turning over in his (well-coifed) political grave at not being mentioned in a thread on the 2012 GOP nomination.  With the fall of other credible conservative options (Jindal&#039;s state of the union address, Mark Sanford&#039;s fathers&#039; day, etc), the nomination is Romney&#039;s for the taking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitt Romney is turning over in his (well-coifed) political grave at not being mentioned in a thread on the 2012 GOP nomination.  With the fall of other credible conservative options (Jindal&#8217;s state of the union address, Mark Sanford&#8217;s fathers&#8217; day, etc), the nomination is Romney&#8217;s for the taking.</p>
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		<title>By: mike farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12129</link>
		<dc:creator>mike farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t get a handle on Romney -- he does seem robotic.

Contrary to popular belief, I think a viable third party is possible. If the Republicans can&#039;t overcome the Democrat advantage, they may leave a vacuum which makes a third party a reality -- especially, if the Democrats look like they have only about 40% support, and the independent numbers continue to grow. It would require a herculean organizational effort. I have to believe power brokers are talking about this behind the scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t get a handle on Romney &#8212; he does seem robotic.</p>
<p>Contrary to popular belief, I think a viable third party is possible. If the Republicans can&#8217;t overcome the Democrat advantage, they may leave a vacuum which makes a third party a reality &#8212; especially, if the Democrats look like they have only about 40% support, and the independent numbers continue to grow. It would require a herculean organizational effort. I have to believe power brokers are talking about this behind the scenes.</p>
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		<title>By: We Continue With &#8220;A Governor Is Resigning (No, Not That One)&#8221; &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>We Continue With &#8220;A Governor Is Resigning (No, Not That One)&#8221; &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Chris Dierkes at The League [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I&#039;m concerned, anyone who describes L.Ron Hubbard&#039;s &quot;opus&quot; Battlefied Earth as their favorite movie is automatically disqualified from the Presidency.  I&#039;ve got no issue with Mormons; Scientologists are another matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, anyone who describes L.Ron Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;opus&#8221; Battlefied Earth as their favorite movie is automatically disqualified from the Presidency.  I&#8217;ve got no issue with Mormons; Scientologists are another matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cheeks</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12126</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, why don&#039;t you and the league and Mike and ect talk about a rising third party; as in who and how and why. I should find that of interest...or have I missed the debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, why don&#8217;t you and the league and Mike and ect talk about a rising third party; as in who and how and why. I should find that of interest&#8230;or have I missed the debate?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dierkes</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/07/sarah-sarah-quite-contraire/#comment-12125</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romney I think has the backing of the establishment conservatives (he did last time around and I assume will again in &#039;12).  But for me he&#039;s just so awkward and robotic.  He&#039;s so uncomfortable and in the age of television that matters.  Whether it should or not is a different question, but it does.  He&#039;s technocratic and in the end he says what&#039;s popular, so he doesn&#039;t scare me like Palin does (although I wouldn&#039;t vote for him) but we&#039;ll see.  He had everything set up for him in 2008 but couldn&#039;t seal the deal.  Hard to imagine that chance coming around twice, but who knows.  The Republican Party is really lost and someone eventually is going to have to become the leader, if only for a short period of time.  

My own sense is the GOP would do much better to drop its Reaganomics tax cutting mania and focus on the development of the middle class a la Douthat and Salam&#039;s Grand New Party.  Romney is not that guy.  He&#039;s clearly a plutocrat and into &quot;flood-up&quot; economics.  Pawlenty could be that person as could Huckabee.  Palin in theory could be as well I suppose, except she really wants to win over the paleo-libertarian crew with her emphasis on getting gov&#039;t out and is playing the classic GOP card of getting middle class votes through culture war stuff while screwing them economically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romney I think has the backing of the establishment conservatives (he did last time around and I assume will again in &#8216;12).  But for me he&#8217;s just so awkward and robotic.  He&#8217;s so uncomfortable and in the age of television that matters.  Whether it should or not is a different question, but it does.  He&#8217;s technocratic and in the end he says what&#8217;s popular, so he doesn&#8217;t scare me like Palin does (although I wouldn&#8217;t vote for him) but we&#8217;ll see.  He had everything set up for him in 2008 but couldn&#8217;t seal the deal.  Hard to imagine that chance coming around twice, but who knows.  The Republican Party is really lost and someone eventually is going to have to become the leader, if only for a short period of time.  </p>
<p>My own sense is the GOP would do much better to drop its Reaganomics tax cutting mania and focus on the development of the middle class a la Douthat and Salam&#8217;s Grand New Party.  Romney is not that guy.  He&#8217;s clearly a plutocrat and into &#8220;flood-up&#8221; economics.  Pawlenty could be that person as could Huckabee.  Palin in theory could be as well I suppose, except she really wants to win over the paleo-libertarian crew with her emphasis on getting gov&#8217;t out and is playing the classic GOP card of getting middle class votes through culture war stuff while screwing them economically.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why isn&#039;t Mitt Romney in the conversation? Personally, I think he may be the best Republican candidate for 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t Mitt Romney in the conversation? Personally, I think he may be the best Republican candidate for 2012.</p>
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