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	<title>Comments on: soft bigotry, meet low expectations, part II</title>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22926</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t feel it appropriate to comment (all the way back to February!)but I&#039;d like to point out that Nolan&#039;s fight scenes in the first movie were chaotic and awful. Sure, he wasn&#039;t Batman yet... but the subsequent fight scenes also relied far too much on shaky camera followed by showing us the winner instead of showing Batman punching a guy in the back and thinking something to the effect of &quot;okay, the spleen, he&#039;ll get out of the hospital around the time that the prosecution can schedule him to stand in front of a judge.&quot;

If you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t feel it appropriate to comment (all the way back to February!)but I&#8217;d like to point out that Nolan&#8217;s fight scenes in the first movie were chaotic and awful. Sure, he wasn&#8217;t Batman yet&#8230; but the subsequent fight scenes also relied far too much on shaky camera followed by showing us the winner instead of showing Batman punching a guy in the back and thinking something to the effect of &#8220;okay, the spleen, he&#8217;ll get out of the hospital around the time that the prosecution can schedule him to stand in front of a judge.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: SEK</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22924</link>
		<dc:creator>SEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good goodness, not a &quot;CRAZY ALERT!!!&quot; one, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good goodness, not a &#8220;CRAZY ALERT!!!&#8221; one, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22694</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you would like to go full meta-, I&#039;d point out that you are deliberately twisting words in such a way that only someone hoping to obscure meaning would do. When I was pointing out semiotics, I was pointing out a signal that more than merely myself was hearing... so I have evidence of a signal being received by multiple people in different places.

The word twisting you are doing, however, seems to be little more than an ad absurdum argument beginning from a strawman of my position.

I&#039;d ask if you thought that Reagan&#039;s speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi was an example of &quot;dog whistle&quot; politics. Perhaps Bush&#039;s references to &quot;Dred Scott&quot;.

If you are willing to agree that, maybe, it&#039;s possible to send a message without saying anything explicitly, then, maybe, we can discuss whether it&#039;s reasonable for such a conclusion to be reached here.

Perhaps your opinion is that if transcripts are all we have, we owe it to the transcripts to &quot;not read between the lines&quot;. Is that your position?

Or is it only your position when it suits you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you would like to go full meta-, I&#8217;d point out that you are deliberately twisting words in such a way that only someone hoping to obscure meaning would do. When I was pointing out semiotics, I was pointing out a signal that more than merely myself was hearing&#8230; so I have evidence of a signal being received by multiple people in different places.</p>
<p>The word twisting you are doing, however, seems to be little more than an ad absurdum argument beginning from a strawman of my position.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask if you thought that Reagan&#8217;s speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi was an example of &#8220;dog whistle&#8221; politics. Perhaps Bush&#8217;s references to &#8220;Dred Scott&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you are willing to agree that, maybe, it&#8217;s possible to send a message without saying anything explicitly, then, maybe, we can discuss whether it&#8217;s reasonable for such a conclusion to be reached here.</p>
<p>Perhaps your opinion is that if transcripts are all we have, we owe it to the transcripts to &#8220;not read between the lines&#8221;. Is that your position?</p>
<p>Or is it only your position when it suits you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goodness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness!</p>
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		<title>By: nick.t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22691</link>
		<dc:creator>nick.t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I accept your apology in the spirit in which it was offered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept your apology in the spirit in which it was offered.</p>
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		<title>By: nick.t.</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22690</link>
		<dc:creator>nick.t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, no, Jaybird, that&#039;s clearly not what you mean. Semiotically, you are saying &#039;I have no sort of argument or evidence, and therefore am only posting here for my own malicious purposes and abusing the tolerance of others&quot;. I notice that when challenged, you invariably resort to weak-sister libertarianism, rather than actually responding. More signal, less noise, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, no, Jaybird, that&#8217;s clearly not what you mean. Semiotically, you are saying &#8216;I have no sort of argument or evidence, and therefore am only posting here for my own malicious purposes and abusing the tolerance of others&#8221;. I notice that when challenged, you invariably resort to weak-sister libertarianism, rather than actually responding. More signal, less noise, please.</p>
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		<title>By: despues76</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22688</link>
		<dc:creator>despues76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do i steal that amazing gif?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do i steal that amazing gif?</p>
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		<title>By: SEK</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22667</link>
		<dc:creator>SEK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 03:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we compromise?  Since I was linked in the original post, why doesn&#039;t everyone go read &lt;a href=&quot;http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/02/batman-begins-works-because-christopher-nolan-decided-to-spend-the-first-hour-and-twenty-minutes-denying-the-audience-what-it.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/01/dark-knight-scene-analysis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two&lt;/a&gt; of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/02/little-bit-more-on-teaching-the-dark-knight.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Batman blogs&lt;/a&gt;, alright?  Sound good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we compromise?  Since I was linked in the original post, why doesn&#8217;t everyone go read <a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/02/batman-begins-works-because-christopher-nolan-decided-to-spend-the-first-hour-and-twenty-minutes-denying-the-audience-what-it.html" rel="nofollow">one</a> or <a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/01/dark-knight-scene-analysis.html" rel="nofollow">two</a> of my <a href="http://acephalous.typepad.com/acephalous/2009/02/little-bit-more-on-teaching-the-dark-knight.html" rel="nofollow">Batman blogs</a>, alright?  Sound good?</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22625</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The wacky thing that I have found about libertarianism-in-practice is that it has to allow for other people to value different things differently.

This one person can think that a lifestyle without children is the best lifestyle while that one can think that a lifestyle with kids is the best way. They can both show up at a pokergame and say &quot;you don&#039;t know what you&#039;re missing&quot; and walk away shaking their heads at the folly of the other guy... and both of them can have made the right decision for themselves. They, despite any of their own claims to the contrary, are not exactly engaging in libertarianism-in-practice. &quot;I&#039;m doing it the right way, you, who disagree with me, are doing it the wrong way&quot; is a very, very unlibertarian sentiment.

While we can discuss matters of taste vs. matters of morality and which is which and what is what and so on and so forth, I would hope that we would agree that, in this instance, how I live my life is a matter of taste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The wacky thing that I have found about libertarianism-in-practice is that it has to allow for other people to value different things differently.</p>
<p>This one person can think that a lifestyle without children is the best lifestyle while that one can think that a lifestyle with kids is the best way. They can both show up at a pokergame and say &#8220;you don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re missing&#8221; and walk away shaking their heads at the folly of the other guy&#8230; and both of them can have made the right decision for themselves. They, despite any of their own claims to the contrary, are not exactly engaging in libertarianism-in-practice. &#8220;I&#8217;m doing it the right way, you, who disagree with me, are doing it the wrong way&#8221; is a very, very unlibertarian sentiment.</p>
<p>While we can discuss matters of taste vs. matters of morality and which is which and what is what and so on and so forth, I would hope that we would agree that, in this instance, how I live my life is a matter of taste.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/soft-bigotry-meet-low-expectations-part-ii/#comment-22622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will quote myself (thank you for giving me the opportunity to do so):

&lt;i&gt;The question is whether it is reasonable to question whether a signal was being received by the audience, whether a signal was intended by the speaker, and whether those signals (if they exist, of course) line up.&lt;/i&gt;

I have come to the conclusion that the signals between us are not lining up and suggest that it may be appropriate to take words at face value in this particular case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will quote myself (thank you for giving me the opportunity to do so):</p>
<p><i>The question is whether it is reasonable to question whether a signal was being received by the audience, whether a signal was intended by the speaker, and whether those signals (if they exist, of course) line up.</i></p>
<p>I have come to the conclusion that the signals between us are not lining up and suggest that it may be appropriate to take words at face value in this particular case.</p>
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