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	<title>Comments on: we all love rights of the accused until it&#8217;s someone we really don&#8217;t like</title>
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		<title>By: Conventional Folly &#187; What rights are we talking about?</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/09/we-all-love-rights-of-the-accused-until-its-someone-we-really-dont-like/#comment-23419</link>
		<dc:creator>Conventional Folly &#187; What rights are we talking about?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been kicking around Freddie&#8217;s post on Roman Polanski for a few days now, and I&#8217;m still not sure what to make of it. We went back [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been kicking around Freddie&#8217;s post on Roman Polanski for a few days now, and I&#8217;m still not sure what to make of it. We went back [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sexual Politics, the Law and the Roman Polanski Arrest &#124; Xenia Institute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sexual Politics, the Law and the Roman Polanski Arrest &#124; Xenia Institute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The League of Ordinary Gentlemen &#124;  &#8220;I think Polanski is a brilliant filmmaker and a world-class cretin. I’m disgusted by what he did. But I also have great reservations about how we can try him and maintain a full grasp on due process and rights of the accused. The physical evidence is in bad condition;the police who ran his case are mostly dead; the key witnesses are unlikely to cooperate, including the victim; and most importantly, and most concerning, for a democratic society, is that the judge and the prosecuting attorney conspired during the case. That’s a really, really big deal, and contra this piece from Salon, it’s a big deal no matter whether the prosecutors in LA think it’s a big deal or not. That sort of thing absolutely can’t happen in a nation of laws. Can’t.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The League of Ordinary Gentlemen |  &#8220;I think Polanski is a brilliant filmmaker and a world-class cretin. I’m disgusted by what he did. But I also have great reservations about how we can try him and maintain a full grasp on due process and rights of the accused. The physical evidence is in bad condition;the police who ran his case are mostly dead; the key witnesses are unlikely to cooperate, including the victim; and most importantly, and most concerning, for a democratic society, is that the judge and the prosecuting attorney conspired during the case. That’s a really, really big deal, and contra this piece from Salon, it’s a big deal no matter whether the prosecutors in LA think it’s a big deal or not. That sort of thing absolutely can’t happen in a nation of laws. Can’t.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: adolphus</title>
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		<dc:creator>adolphus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree 100%. I will continue to bring up the fact that he raped a child, much like Kate Harding did in Salon, because too many people want to gloss over that fact. Polanski is already garnering a host of defenders from film festival attendees wearing &quot;Free Roman&quot; buttons to Whoopi Goldberg saying the girl wasn&#039;t &quot;raped-raped&quot; on the view. His defenders bring up everything from his parents dying in the Holocaust, to his wife dying at the hands of the Manson family, to his skill at movie making, to his advanced age, and to a host of other things.  Yes, but he RAPED A CHILD! He may be able to garner a ton of sympathy from any number of people if they are allowed to forget HE RAPED A CHILD, so I will do my wee tiny bit in my small corner of the world to make sure people who think that the patina of celebrity and artistic skill absolves people from paying for their crimes.

Yes, he is due all the due process any other citizen would get. He will likely get more because he can afford it. But before you want to make excuses to me about why he should not be dragged back to the US to answer for his crimes (and get all the due process his money can buy him) I will remind you that he raped a child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree 100%. I will continue to bring up the fact that he raped a child, much like Kate Harding did in Salon, because too many people want to gloss over that fact. Polanski is already garnering a host of defenders from film festival attendees wearing &#8220;Free Roman&#8221; buttons to Whoopi Goldberg saying the girl wasn&#8217;t &#8220;raped-raped&#8221; on the view. His defenders bring up everything from his parents dying in the Holocaust, to his wife dying at the hands of the Manson family, to his skill at movie making, to his advanced age, and to a host of other things.  Yes, but he RAPED A CHILD! He may be able to garner a ton of sympathy from any number of people if they are allowed to forget HE RAPED A CHILD, so I will do my wee tiny bit in my small corner of the world to make sure people who think that the patina of celebrity and artistic skill absolves people from paying for their crimes.</p>
<p>Yes, he is due all the due process any other citizen would get. He will likely get more because he can afford it. But before you want to make excuses to me about why he should not be dragged back to the US to answer for his crimes (and get all the due process his money can buy him) I will remind you that he raped a child.</p>
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		<title>By: EngineerScotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>EngineerScotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a better title for this post ought to be, &quot;we all like to see wrongdoers punished, unless it is someone we DO like&quot;.

Most defenders of Polanski who have gone on the record have not claimed that he was unfairly treated by the justice system, or that he didn&#039;t do the deed which he plead guilty to, or that what he didn&#039;t wasn&#039;t really all that bad.

Instead, Polanski&#039;s defender seem to focus on the fact that he&#039;s a brilliant filmmaker, and if pressed, that he has suffered enough (the murder of his wife)--it would be a shame and a waste to see such talent rot in jail.

Which strikes me as little different than a phenomenon that is readily observed within the US--wherein upper-class white kids that screw up bigtime often get slaps on the wrist, whereas poor minority kids who commit a similar offense (and have a similar history with law enforcement) can frequently expect to get the book thrown at them.   In the former case, there&#039;s a belief that the kid in question has a Lot Of Potential, it&#039;s better not to ruin his life with a lengthy prison sentence--wherein the latter case, the kid is frequently viewed as disposable (and likely to end up in jail for something else anyway).

While I have no special enmity for Polanski (compared to others who commit similar offenses), the whole principle of the blindness of justice demands that he be held to &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; account by the law.  Is there any doubt that if he weren&#039;t a rich film director, he would have served a lengthy prison term, and might well still be there today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a better title for this post ought to be, &#8220;we all like to see wrongdoers punished, unless it is someone we DO like&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most defenders of Polanski who have gone on the record have not claimed that he was unfairly treated by the justice system, or that he didn&#8217;t do the deed which he plead guilty to, or that what he didn&#8217;t wasn&#8217;t really all that bad.</p>
<p>Instead, Polanski&#8217;s defender seem to focus on the fact that he&#8217;s a brilliant filmmaker, and if pressed, that he has suffered enough (the murder of his wife)&#8211;it would be a shame and a waste to see such talent rot in jail.</p>
<p>Which strikes me as little different than a phenomenon that is readily observed within the US&#8211;wherein upper-class white kids that screw up bigtime often get slaps on the wrist, whereas poor minority kids who commit a similar offense (and have a similar history with law enforcement) can frequently expect to get the book thrown at them.   In the former case, there&#8217;s a belief that the kid in question has a Lot Of Potential, it&#8217;s better not to ruin his life with a lengthy prison sentence&#8211;wherein the latter case, the kid is frequently viewed as disposable (and likely to end up in jail for something else anyway).</p>
<p>While I have no special enmity for Polanski (compared to others who commit similar offenses), the whole principle of the blindness of justice demands that he be held to <em>some</em> account by the law.  Is there any doubt that if he weren&#8217;t a rich film director, he would have served a lengthy prison term, and might well still be there today?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike at The Big Stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike at The Big Stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know there will be a couple of boobs that open their mouths in his defense....but I think Mr.Polanski is going to have a rough welcome in the US. Sad too because he&#039;s had a hard life. He&#039;s had a lot of death around him....but none of it excuses his actions with this girl of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know there will be a couple of boobs that open their mouths in his defense&#8230;.but I think Mr.Polanski is going to have a rough welcome in the US. Sad too because he&#8217;s had a hard life. He&#8217;s had a lot of death around him&#8230;.but none of it excuses his actions with this girl of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine they&#039;ll stay far, far away.</description>
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		<title>By: Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e87v2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stones Cry Out - If they keep silent&#8230; &#187; Things Heard: e87v2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting take on the Mr Polanski kerfuffle. One more here and that will do it on that topic for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tuesday Highlights &#124; Pseudo-Polymath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday Highlights &#124; Pseudo-Polymath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting take on the Mr Polanski kerfuffle. One more here and that will do it on that topic for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Vile, Offensive, and Unquestionably Criminal &#171; Questing for Atlantis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vile, Offensive, and Unquestionably Criminal &#171; Questing for Atlantis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I just saw this post at League of Ordinary Gentlemen and it makes me feel like I ought to clarify slightly. My disgust [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike at The Big Stick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike at The Big Stick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 01:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty interested to hear what the rest of Hollywood says about this one.</description>
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