Comments on: Libertarians and Diversity (or lack thereof) http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:30:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Daily Digest for October 29th at Unusual Snack http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-28016 Daily Digest for October 29th at Unusual Snack Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:24:57 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-28016 [...] Shared Libertarians and Diversity (or lack thereof) | The League of Ordinary Gentlemen. [...] [...] Shared Libertarians and Diversity (or lack thereof) | The League of Ordinary Gentlemen. [...]

]]> By: Bob http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27910 Bob Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:28:29 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27910 Wouldn't we all. Wouldn’t we all.

]]> By: Jaybird http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27901 Jaybird Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:07:40 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27901 The State ought protect the Civil Rights of its citizens. If you want to argue that societies can grant or deny or whatever rights to its members as an emergent property, I'd be down with that. I disagree but it's certainly not a novel theory. The State ought protect the Civil Rights of its citizens.

If you want to argue that societies can grant or deny or whatever rights to its members as an emergent property, I’d be down with that. I disagree but it’s certainly not a novel theory.

]]> By: Bob http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27895 Bob Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:54:19 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27895 My understanding of JB test is that it was used selectively to keep blacks from voting. "If you’re arguing that “voting” is not a right (or not a right for people of African descent), I’d be willing to read the argument…" I'm making the argument that violence is not the only criteria that should be used in determining when state action is needed. My understanding of JB test is that it was used selectively to keep blacks from voting.

“If you’re arguing that “voting” is not a right (or not a right for people of African descent), I’d be willing to read the argument…”

I’m making the argument that violence is not the only criteria that should be used in determining when state action is needed.

]]> By: Jaybird http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27892 Jaybird Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:43:08 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27892 Did the jellybean test get applied to both whites and black indiscriminately or was it used to deny voting rights to one group of people? If Rights are being denied (even non-violently denied), how is that not something where the government ought not intervene? If you're arguing that "voting" is not a right (or not a right for people of African descent), I'd be willing to read the argument... Did the jellybean test get applied to both whites and black indiscriminately or was it used to deny voting rights to one group of people?

If Rights are being denied (even non-violently denied), how is that not something where the government ought not intervene?

If you’re arguing that “voting” is not a right (or not a right for people of African descent), I’d be willing to read the argument…

]]> By: Bob http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27889 Bob Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:40:18 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27889 "...but I don’t see how having different standards for different (groups of) people would qualify." I'm sorry, "qualify" how, meet what standard? Was the jellybean test for blacks within the power of government to overrule? Was the city of Selma within it power to register voters acting correctly to administer the jellybean test to blacks only? And you avoided the violence question. “…but I don’t see how having different standards for different (groups of) people would qualify.”

I’m sorry, “qualify” how, meet what standard? Was the jellybean test for blacks within the power of government to overrule? Was the city of Selma within it power to register voters acting correctly to administer the jellybean test to blacks only?

And you avoided the violence question.

]]> By: Bob http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27882 Bob Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:28:16 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27882 I can't attest from personal experience if such tests occurred but such stories are common. http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0214523/test.htm I can’t attest from personal experience if such tests occurred but such stories are common.

http://library.thinkquest.org/CR0214523/test.htm

]]> By: Jaybird http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27881 Jaybird Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:28:15 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27881 Is a civil right being violated? It certainly seems to me that denial of voting rights would qualify. The state has a responsibility to protect the Rights of its citizens. I suppose I would be willing to entertain the argument that the right to vote is merely a privilege extended to people who meet a basic set of standards (the ability to, for example, register) but I don't see how having different standards for different (groups of) people would qualify. (But I say that as one of those nuts who thinks that ex-felons who are no longer in prison ought to be able to vote and would be willing to discuss whether people in prison ought be able to vote.) Is a civil right being violated? It certainly seems to me that denial of voting rights would qualify.

The state has a responsibility to protect the Rights of its citizens. I suppose I would be willing to entertain the argument that the right to vote is merely a privilege extended to people who meet a basic set of standards (the ability to, for example, register) but I don’t see how having different standards for different (groups of) people would qualify. (But I say that as one of those nuts who thinks that ex-felons who are no longer in prison ought to be able to vote and would be willing to discuss whether people in prison ought be able to vote.)

]]> By: Bob http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27874 Bob Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:16:48 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27874 So take the example of literacy tests for voting. The white is given a passage to read and does so, qualified. The black is ask to say how many jellybeans in the jar. Failed to be within 50, disqualified. No violence no harm? No state action needed? So take the example of literacy tests for voting. The white is given a passage to read and does so, qualified. The black is ask to say how many jellybeans in the jar. Failed to be within 50, disqualified. No violence no harm? No state action needed?

]]> By: Ryan http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/libertarians-and-diversity-or-lack-thereof/#comment-27864 Ryan Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:58:58 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10307#comment-27864 No, I'm sorry. I was pushing too hard in the wrong direction. My particular complaint is that you think violence is the only kind of coercion that can motivate state action. I think that's crazy. No, I’m sorry. I was pushing too hard in the wrong direction. My particular complaint is that you think violence is the only kind of coercion that can motivate state action. I think that’s crazy.

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