Comments on: Lost vs. Heroes http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/ Sun, 21 Mar 2010 08:36:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Tim Kowal http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28374 Tim Kowal Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:49:00 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28374 FYI, link to JJ Abrams' TED speech here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjVgF5JDq8 FYI, link to JJ Abrams’ TED speech here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjVgF5JDq8

]]> By: Tim Kowal http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28373 Tim Kowal Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:47:41 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28373 Odd, I feel the opposite about Lost -- the last couple of seasons have found me rolling my eyes quite a bit. I think it's just viewer fatigue. I was absolutely hooked at the beginning, so I was willing to be patient and to find meaning in absolutely everything. Now that they've strung out the viewers so long, they have to start showing a lot of cards, and it get a bit far fetched. There was a stretch of episodes last season where the viewers didn't know what way was up, where or when anyone was, and it was just exhausting and frustrating. Had that happened in season 2, I'd have been all over it. Now that we're at the end game, it's just all looking like a blur. JJ Abrams gave a speech at TED last year about the "mystery box," about how stories are better when the mystery is yet unrevealed. Now that they have to reveal the mysteries, it's a series of inevitable disappointments. Really, what could possibly be in the "box"? Secrets of time travel? Aliens? Some guy angling for world domination? Nazi-zombies? Whatever it is, better watch that your eyes don't roll right out of your head. Odd, I feel the opposite about Lost — the last couple of seasons have found me rolling my eyes quite a bit. I think it’s just viewer fatigue. I was absolutely hooked at the beginning, so I was willing to be patient and to find meaning in absolutely everything. Now that they’ve strung out the viewers so long, they have to start showing a lot of cards, and it get a bit far fetched. There was a stretch of episodes last season where the viewers didn’t know what way was up, where or when anyone was, and it was just exhausting and frustrating. Had that happened in season 2, I’d have been all over it. Now that we’re at the end game, it’s just all looking like a blur.

JJ Abrams gave a speech at TED last year about the “mystery box,” about how stories are better when the mystery is yet unrevealed. Now that they have to reveal the mysteries, it’s a series of inevitable disappointments. Really, what could possibly be in the “box”? Secrets of time travel? Aliens? Some guy angling for world domination? Nazi-zombies? Whatever it is, better watch that your eyes don’t roll right out of your head.

]]> By: North http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28072 North Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:47:30 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28072 Maddening, yes I was livid. With months of time and contemplation on it now I can look back on it as being almost monumental in how much of an inversion of each characters personal interest it was. It has a kind of grandiosness in the sheer scale of it's terribleness. Maddening, yes I was livid. With months of time and contemplation on it now I can look back on it as being almost monumental in how much of an inversion of each characters personal interest it was. It has a kind of grandiosness in the sheer scale of it’s terribleness.

]]> By: North http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28071 North Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:45:36 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28071 Keep watching E.D. and Al. There are moments that are powerful plus Bear's music alone is worth the time investment. They even shell out some cash for some bang up battles towards the end. Even the writing, is tolerable for a lot of what is left and even in the way it gets idiotic at the end, it has a certain value as a kind of base line awful to measure other plot lines against. Keep watching E.D. and Al. There are moments that are powerful plus Bear’s music alone is worth the time investment. They even shell out some cash for some bang up battles towards the end. Even the writing, is tolerable for a lot of what is left and even in the way it gets idiotic at the end, it has a certain value as a kind of base line awful to measure other plot lines against.

]]> By: Chris Dierkes http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28064 Chris Dierkes Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:32:41 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28064 I agree with this post and comments except that it isn't Lost vs. Heroes it's the Lostification of Heroes. I agree with this post and comments except that it isn’t Lost vs. Heroes it’s the Lostification of Heroes.

]]> By: Kyle http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28044 Kyle Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:09:19 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28044 I hear ya...I actually really liked Daybreak until that part. I felt like I had put up with 4 seasons of Lee whining about democracy this and democracy that, then he makes some really unbelievable and autocratic decision and suddenly 40,000 people who've been complaining about everything for years now, are like, "let's go camping...forever!" it was frustrating. I hear ya…I actually really liked Daybreak until that part. I felt like I had put up with 4 seasons of Lee whining about democracy this and democracy that, then he makes some really unbelievable and autocratic decision and suddenly 40,000 people who’ve been complaining about everything for years now, are like, “let’s go camping…forever!” it was frustrating.

]]> By: E.D. Kain http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28034 E.D. Kain Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:23:29 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28034 It depends. If you liked season 2, you might like 3 and 4. I'm still watching, though I'm plagued with doubts and mixed feelings. I still hold out hope for its return to greatness. It depends. If you liked season 2, you might like 3 and 4. I’m still watching, though I’m plagued with doubts and mixed feelings. I still hold out hope for its return to greatness.

]]> By: Al http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28032 Al Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:15:25 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28032 I've got nearly all of season 3 and whatever aired of season 4 of Heroes archived on my DVR. Is there any reason not to free up the space? I’ve got nearly all of season 3 and whatever aired of season 4 of Heroes archived on my DVR. Is there any reason not to free up the space?

]]> By: North http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28023 North Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:24:34 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28023 BSG got dreadfully haphazard as it went along but was still interesting enough to keep me watching. I think, though, that the final episode holds the prize for episodes that render an entire series into pure reeking drek. Years of struggling space opera to preserve their endangered culture and lives, then suddenly the entire population decides to follow the doughy Lee Adama into hellish voluntary luddite extinction while a series of magic moonbat miracles tie up the loose ends? I actually threw stuff at my screen. BSG got dreadfully haphazard as it went along but was still interesting enough to keep me watching. I think, though, that the final episode holds the prize for episodes that render an entire series into pure reeking drek. Years of struggling space opera to preserve their endangered culture and lives, then suddenly the entire population decides to follow the doughy Lee Adama into hellish voluntary luddite extinction while a series of magic moonbat miracles tie up the loose ends? I actually threw stuff at my screen.

]]> By: 62across http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/lost-vs-heroes/#comment-28013 62across Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:26:31 +0000 http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/?p=10366#comment-28013 It was during Season 3 of Lost that the producers were able to reach agreement with ABC to set an end date for the series. All along they had a plot device in mind (the switch from flashbacks to flash forwards) that they wanted at the mid-point of the series and until they had an end date they couldn't make the pivot they had designed. That is why Season 3 seems to flounder a bit (though as Michael D. states, not much in retrospect). They were having to "vamp" until they knew they could turn and bring it home. If you look at the structure, you'll notice the series is sort of a palindrome (Season 5 follows the shape of Season 2, e.g.). The word is the final season coming up will be similar to Season 1 in form. It was during Season 3 of Lost that the producers were able to reach agreement with ABC to set an end date for the series. All along they had a plot device in mind (the switch from flashbacks to flash forwards) that they wanted at the mid-point of the series and until they had an end date they couldn’t make the pivot they had designed. That is why Season 3 seems to flounder a bit (though as Michael D. states, not much in retrospect). They were having to “vamp” until they knew they could turn and bring it home. If you look at the structure, you’ll notice the series is sort of a palindrome (Season 5 follows the shape of Season 2, e.g.). The word is the final season coming up will be similar to Season 1 in form.

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