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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, perhaps the snark behind my use of the word &quot;assuredly&quot; was not obvious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, perhaps the snark behind my use of the word &#8220;assuredly&#8221; was not obvious?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27965</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point 2 is the key issue.  The point is that whatever the speaker may wish, it is not possible to completely separate his public and private personas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point 2 is the key issue.  The point is that whatever the speaker may wish, it is not possible to completely separate his public and private personas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27962</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So expressing opposition to a Presidential policy is “being a dick” that is subject to a request from the Attorney General (in private, and assuredly only as a friend) to stop?&quot;

You certainly seemed to agree there.

As for the Whole Foods business:

1) I think it&#039;s ludicrous for liberals to boycott a company like Whole Foods - which conforms to a great many liberal ideals about private enterprise and environmental stewardship - just because its jackass CEO believes something silly.

2) That said, I also think it&#039;s perfectly clear that Mackey was using his leverage as CEO of Whole Foods to get column space and to lend credibility to his views.  He can hardly be surprised that people didn&#039;t separate his private and &quot;public&quot; personae.  Eric Holder, by contrast, was talking to his friend, not using the power of his office to secure a position from which to lecture people he doesn&#039;t even know.

All that said, I certainly didn&#039;t support the boycott.  Seemed like a stupid fit of pique designed to accomplish absolutely nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So expressing opposition to a Presidential policy is “being a dick” that is subject to a request from the Attorney General (in private, and assuredly only as a friend) to stop?&#8221;</p>
<p>You certainly seemed to agree there.</p>
<p>As for the Whole Foods business:</p>
<p>1) I think it&#8217;s ludicrous for liberals to boycott a company like Whole Foods &#8211; which conforms to a great many liberal ideals about private enterprise and environmental stewardship &#8211; just because its jackass CEO believes something silly.</p>
<p>2) That said, I also think it&#8217;s perfectly clear that Mackey was using his leverage as CEO of Whole Foods to get column space and to lend credibility to his views.  He can hardly be surprised that people didn&#8217;t separate his private and &#8220;public&#8221; personae.  Eric Holder, by contrast, was talking to his friend, not using the power of his office to secure a position from which to lecture people he doesn&#8217;t even know.</p>
<p>All that said, I certainly didn&#8217;t support the boycott.  Seemed like a stupid fit of pique designed to accomplish absolutely nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27957</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Given that we’ve all agreed that Holder wasn’t acting in his official capacity as Attorney General, I think we can’t possibly view it that way.&lt;/i&gt;

First of all, we haven&#039;t agreed.  Second of all, whatever the case, Holder&#039;s actions, despite what a friend may say in a talk radio interview, will not be viewed as the actions of a private citizen but of a public official and.  That&#039;s the way it&#039;s always been.  Perception becomes reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Given that we’ve all agreed that Holder wasn’t acting in his official capacity as Attorney General, I think we can’t possibly view it that way.</i></p>
<p>First of all, we haven&#8217;t agreed.  Second of all, whatever the case, Holder&#8217;s actions, despite what a friend may say in a talk radio interview, will not be viewed as the actions of a private citizen but of a public official and.  That&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s always been.  Perception becomes reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27951</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In predictable agreement with Mark, I have two employers currently, one private, one public and though I&#039;m admittedly small potatoes in the organization of both, I wouldn&#039;t think it appropriate to ask someone being publicly critical of either employer to stop. I would actually against policy for private employer. 

So in a cultural/attitudinal sense, I really don&#039;t know where Eric Holder would&#039;ve thought this was a.) an appropriate thing to do or b.) something that nobody would consider in relation to his job and boss. 

To Ryan&#039;s points, the question of whether it&#039;s small potatoes or not is a separate question from whether it&#039;s appropriate or not. I don&#039;t particularly see the value in ignoring inappropriate behaviour from public officials until it&#039;s arbitrarily designated &quot;big potatoes.&quot; There&#039;s even a credible argument that ignoring the small stuff makes the big stuff more likely to happen.

Count this as yet another in list of things that would be more clear than contentious were the object in question less sympathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In predictable agreement with Mark, I have two employers currently, one private, one public and though I&#8217;m admittedly small potatoes in the organization of both, I wouldn&#8217;t think it appropriate to ask someone being publicly critical of either employer to stop. I would actually against policy for private employer. </p>
<p>So in a cultural/attitudinal sense, I really don&#8217;t know where Eric Holder would&#8217;ve thought this was a.) an appropriate thing to do or b.) something that nobody would consider in relation to his job and boss. </p>
<p>To Ryan&#8217;s points, the question of whether it&#8217;s small potatoes or not is a separate question from whether it&#8217;s appropriate or not. I don&#8217;t particularly see the value in ignoring inappropriate behaviour from public officials until it&#8217;s arbitrarily designated &#8220;big potatoes.&#8221; There&#8217;s even a credible argument that ignoring the small stuff makes the big stuff more likely to happen.</p>
<p>Count this as yet another in list of things that would be more clear than contentious were the object in question less sympathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27934</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did I agree with that?  I rather thought my entire point was that he can&#039;t so easily separate those two.  

I wonder....what are your thoughts on whether it was appropriate for liberals to boycott Whole Foods based on its CEO&#039;s health care opinion piece for the WSJ?  Was he speaking on behalf of Whole Foods or in his private capacity as a concerned citizen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did I agree with that?  I rather thought my entire point was that he can&#8217;t so easily separate those two.  </p>
<p>I wonder&#8230;.what are your thoughts on whether it was appropriate for liberals to boycott Whole Foods based on its CEO&#8217;s health care opinion piece for the WSJ?  Was he speaking on behalf of Whole Foods or in his private capacity as a concerned citizen?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27931</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that we&#039;ve all agreed that Holder wasn&#039;t acting in his official capacity as Attorney General, I think we can&#039;t possibly view it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that we&#8217;ve all agreed that Holder wasn&#8217;t acting in his official capacity as Attorney General, I think we can&#8217;t possibly view it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27930</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Holder&#039;s &quot;request&quot; should not be deemed a statement that Chavous should &quot;be careful what you say, you shouldn&#039;t be a dick&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Holder&#8217;s &#8220;request&#8221; should not be deemed a statement that Chavous should &#8220;be careful what you say, you shouldn&#8217;t be a dick&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/10/politics-over-freedom-ctd/#comment-27926</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expressing opposition to a presidential policy may be many things.  When my friends say, &quot;Obama shouldn&#039;t do X&quot;, I am well within my rights to say, &quot;Stop being a dick.&quot;  And yeah, Obama is also my boss (in a manner of speaking).  Deal with it.  And stop being a dick.

I don&#039;t know what &quot;subject to a request&quot; means.  If you are asking if people are allowed to ask their friends to stop doing things, then yes.  Moreover, people acting as private citizens are allowed to care about whether their boss is being criticized by their friends.

As for the rest, I would love for you to find me the time where I endorsed Ari Fleischer telling people to be careful what they say.  In fact, I&#039;m pretty sure my actual position is that everyone cares waaaaaaay too much about what people say and not enough about what they do.  But you&#039;re the libertarian, so feel free to lecture me about what liberty really means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expressing opposition to a presidential policy may be many things.  When my friends say, &#8220;Obama shouldn&#8217;t do X&#8221;, I am well within my rights to say, &#8220;Stop being a dick.&#8221;  And yeah, Obama is also my boss (in a manner of speaking).  Deal with it.  And stop being a dick.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;subject to a request&#8221; means.  If you are asking if people are allowed to ask their friends to stop doing things, then yes.  Moreover, people acting as private citizens are allowed to care about whether their boss is being criticized by their friends.</p>
<p>As for the rest, I would love for you to find me the time where I endorsed Ari Fleischer telling people to be careful what they say.  In fact, I&#8217;m pretty sure my actual position is that everyone cares waaaaaaay too much about what people say and not enough about what they do.  But you&#8217;re the libertarian, so feel free to lecture me about what liberty really means.</p>
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