Thanks. Yeah actual old school Anglo-Catholics (rather than Anglicans whose liturgy looks like Reformed post Vatican II RC liturgy and are generically called “Catholic” like Anglicans) often use other liturgical rites. There is an Anglo-Catholic church here in Vancouver where I live that still uses an essentially Tridentine Rite. So weirdly they would be closer (liturgically) one might argue to the recently invited back in to the Roman church groups that previously had split over the use of the vernacular in worship.

Although here in Canada we have what’s called the BAS (Book of Alternative Services) which is basically like CoE’s Worship. It came in the 80s and is roughly in sync with all of the ordo liturgical reforms that took place since Vatican II.

There’s a group (fairly smallish but somewhat vocal) who oppose the BAS for the BCP, called The Society for the Preservation of the Prayer Book. And here anyway (and somewhat weirdly) it has a strong Anglo-Catholic presence. Even though the Prayer Book’s theology is evangelical and the BAS’ theology is much more “Catholic.” Maybe that’s not the same in UK?

Also, that’s a good point about the property issues. My understanding is that any church/parish (or potentially even a diocese as there are some rumblings in the US of such a thing potentially occurring) would lose all their church property. That may very well put a hamper on too many groups joining up.

As someone whose church is in the midst of property disputes over various arguments and counterarguments of defection, it’s ugly. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

Incidentally, you cogniscenti sure are long on rhetoric and short on making a sound case for whether or not modern philosophy has anything to say to anyone.

I suppose if you’re comitted to it, having read the books and done some thinking, but thankfully, most people aren’t very interested.

I think however the Holy Spirit is at play here this move may have unseen consequences not only for the Anglican Communion, but also for the Roman Catholic Church. Time will tell not crystal ball gazing under whatever mantle.

Do you have a link what you’ve heard? I could see Pittsburgh, even potentially Forth Worth Diocese as both Robert Duncan and Jack Iker have had their sights (imo) on leading this new Anglican Province in North America but seem not to have gotten others on board with that idea.

Australia and Africa? That’s interesting as the churches that are largely angered by the current goings on (e.g. Diocese of Sydney) are from the evangelical wing (in the case of Sydney ultra-evangelical) and I have a hard time imagining them going for Roman authority. But it is the evangelicals in the Anglican church now pushing for more episcopal centralized authority so weirder things have happened I suppose.

Inordinate fondness for lace wouldn’t be a stumbling block to Rome. At least the current Roman leadership. As a random factoid in this context, a goodly number of the Anglo-Catholic churches would wear cassocks wear Roman (not traditional Anglo) style ones.

Thanks for the nitpick. I did say Eastern Rites within the Catholic (implied Roman via context) Church, so I think that can be construed properly??

Massive nitpick: As a cradle Episcopalian turned Orthodox turned Byzantine Catholic turned Orthodox turned secular/bi/poly/kinky trans woman, the correct term is “Eastern Catholic Churches,” not the
“Eastern Rite Catholic.” Many of the Eastern Catholic Churches are particular churches in their own right.

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, for example, uses the Byzantine *Rite,* but is a particular sui generis church in its own right. Using the term “Eastern Rite Catholic” instead of “Eastern Catholic Church” denigrates the independence of those particular churches and implies that they are merely appendages of Rome.

*Goes back to Bay Area left wing queer radical mode*