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	<title>Comments on: gay marriage and the catholic church in maine</title>
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		<title>By: Cascadian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cascadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it mattered enough to your sister to change her behavior in the market place of jobs, I think it fare for customers to do the same.  Of course, such a pharmacy could never exist in my neighborhood but if it did, I&#039;d be pretty interested in who shopped there as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it mattered enough to your sister to change her behavior in the market place of jobs, I think it fare for customers to do the same.  Of course, such a pharmacy could never exist in my neighborhood but if it did, I&#8217;d be pretty interested in who shopped there as well.</p>
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		<title>By: North</title>
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		<dc:creator>North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To your last statement: 
&quot;If the standard were really that low, I suspect I would spend most of my time policing the politics of the global marketplace. Meh.&quot;

If consumers spent a bit more time policing the politics of the global marketplace and buying accordingly we&#039;d have a significantly more efficient and moral market and significantly less left wing objection to capitalism I imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To your last statement:<br />
&#8220;If the standard were really that low, I suspect I would spend most of my time policing the politics of the global marketplace. Meh.&#8221;</p>
<p>If consumers spent a bit more time policing the politics of the global marketplace and buying accordingly we&#8217;d have a significantly more efficient and moral market and significantly less left wing objection to capitalism I imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: North</title>
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		<dc:creator>North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Sam, I&#039;m a firm believer in abortion rights. I certainly wouldn&#039;t be out organizing a picket of the pharmacy in your scenario but I would not patronize them and I&#039;d encourage my associates not to do so as well in favor of a full service pharmacy instead. 

Since I believe in markets I also believe that they function best when consumers make informed choices about their buying habits. Since I support the right of women to reproductive freedom I will favor pharmacies that cater to that preference and disfavor pharmacies that do not. I would also think it perfectly fair for people who are morally opposed to birth control and abortion to behave in the opposite manner to mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Sam, I&#8217;m a firm believer in abortion rights. I certainly wouldn&#8217;t be out organizing a picket of the pharmacy in your scenario but I would not patronize them and I&#8217;d encourage my associates not to do so as well in favor of a full service pharmacy instead. </p>
<p>Since I believe in markets I also believe that they function best when consumers make informed choices about their buying habits. Since I support the right of women to reproductive freedom I will favor pharmacies that cater to that preference and disfavor pharmacies that do not. I would also think it perfectly fair for people who are morally opposed to birth control and abortion to behave in the opposite manner to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I would also not spend one red dime at said store and would encourage any associates of mine to similarily take their business elsewhere and I would feel genuine satisfaction if they went out of business.&quot;

I find this reaction interesting on a lot of fronts. When I lived in a city, the bodega down the street was run by very conservative Pakistanis. They were nice enough, but they had some pretty retrograde ideas concerning women. But it never occurred to me to not shop there for that reason. And certainly, had they gone out of business, I would not have cheered that outcome.

I suppose there could be some situation in which a merchant&#039;s views were so repugnant that I would enact a boycott. But it would have to be really, really high-grade tomfoolery. And public tomfoolery. Disagreement with me about birth control, one way or another, would not even come close.

This works in both directions. A few years back, some people refused to buy American Girls dolls because of some alleged transgression concerning abortion. If the standard were really that low, I suspect I would spend most of my time policing the politics of the global marketplace. Meh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I would also not spend one red dime at said store and would encourage any associates of mine to similarily take their business elsewhere and I would feel genuine satisfaction if they went out of business.&#8221;</p>
<p>I find this reaction interesting on a lot of fronts. When I lived in a city, the bodega down the street was run by very conservative Pakistanis. They were nice enough, but they had some pretty retrograde ideas concerning women. But it never occurred to me to not shop there for that reason. And certainly, had they gone out of business, I would not have cheered that outcome.</p>
<p>I suppose there could be some situation in which a merchant&#8217;s views were so repugnant that I would enact a boycott. But it would have to be really, really high-grade tomfoolery. And public tomfoolery. Disagreement with me about birth control, one way or another, would not even come close.</p>
<p>This works in both directions. A few years back, some people refused to buy American Girls dolls because of some alleged transgression concerning abortion. If the standard were really that low, I suspect I would spend most of my time policing the politics of the global marketplace. Meh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. Understood. I was a bit perplexed, but now I gets it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. Understood. I was a bit perplexed, but now I gets it.</p>
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		<title>By: DannyK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DannyK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same institution that is raising money to change the laws, is strategically declaring bankruptcy to avoid disclosures and payments to abuse victims. Google &quot;Wilmington Diocese&quot; to see the latest episode of a long-running saga.  Sure, E.D., you can buy into this institution, but you&#039;re also buying into a life time of bad-faith rationalizations of bad behavior -- which corrodes the soul.  Honestly, if you love the incense and candles, look at being a high-church Anglican. Or a Wiccan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same institution that is raising money to change the laws, is strategically declaring bankruptcy to avoid disclosures and payments to abuse victims. Google &#8220;Wilmington Diocese&#8221; to see the latest episode of a long-running saga.  Sure, E.D., you can buy into this institution, but you&#8217;re also buying into a life time of bad-faith rationalizations of bad behavior &#8212; which corrodes the soul.  Honestly, if you love the incense and candles, look at being a high-church Anglican. Or a Wiccan.</p>
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		<title>By: McDevite</title>
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		<dc:creator>McDevite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes think the Mormons are trying to see how long the veins in my forehead will pulse before they burst. When the voices the Mormons here tell them to suck it up and endorse gay marriage like they made black people human in &#039;72, I plan to bring a brass band and some high quality gay taunting. Possibly with go-go dancers.

It&#039;s also annoying because I know it&#039;s all over in about fifteen years, but I want to make it about seven, and what they do makes me sound like a crazy irrational mess. I don&#039;t want to hate them, but they keep trying. Sigh.

Then there&#039;s things like Dan Savage&#039;s post about the 14 year old out gay kid who went on Halloween as Lady Gaga with is parents&#039; help. And that NYT Sunday Mag article from a while back--if Oklahoma City has gay middle schoolers that the school district and the PTA meetings have gotten over, it means that the Mormons and the Catholic Church have lost the argument. 

I just feel badly that institutions that I was indifferent to before have done so much to earn indignation and distrust, and I don&#039;t really know what to do about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes think the Mormons are trying to see how long the veins in my forehead will pulse before they burst. When the voices the Mormons here tell them to suck it up and endorse gay marriage like they made black people human in &#8216;72, I plan to bring a brass band and some high quality gay taunting. Possibly with go-go dancers.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also annoying because I know it&#8217;s all over in about fifteen years, but I want to make it about seven, and what they do makes me sound like a crazy irrational mess. I don&#8217;t want to hate them, but they keep trying. Sigh.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s things like Dan Savage&#8217;s post about the 14 year old out gay kid who went on Halloween as Lady Gaga with is parents&#8217; help. And that NYT Sunday Mag article from a while back&#8211;if Oklahoma City has gay middle schoolers that the school district and the PTA meetings have gotten over, it means that the Mormons and the Catholic Church have lost the argument. </p>
<p>I just feel badly that institutions that I was indifferent to before have done so much to earn indignation and distrust, and I don&#8217;t really know what to do about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E.D. Kain wrote:

&quot;The Mormons did it in California, and they were an easy target for my ire, I have to admit.  I’ve always had issues with Mormonism, whether that’s fair or not.  But Catholics?  I mean, here is an institution devoted to peace and justice!&quot;

If the Catholic Church can be called an instrument of &quot;peace and justice&quot; so can the LDS Church.

Really, I think the only reason people aren&#039;t quite so keen to rip into the Catholics they way they ripped into Mormons is because there are too many Catholics around to pull that kind of crap. But Mormons are a small minority, disliked by numerous groups for different reasons.

They&#039;re an easy target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.D. Kain wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Mormons did it in California, and they were an easy target for my ire, I have to admit.  I’ve always had issues with Mormonism, whether that’s fair or not.  But Catholics?  I mean, here is an institution devoted to peace and justice!&#8221;</p>
<p>If the Catholic Church can be called an instrument of &#8220;peace and justice&#8221; so can the LDS Church.</p>
<p>Really, I think the only reason people aren&#8217;t quite so keen to rip into the Catholics they way they ripped into Mormons is because there are too many Catholics around to pull that kind of crap. But Mormons are a small minority, disliked by numerous groups for different reasons.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re an easy target.</p>
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		<title>By: North</title>
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		<dc:creator>North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s cool. It&#039;s hard. Me too. But it&#039;ll be okay. New York is close, it could flip over any election now. Once the Californians get their act together you&#039;ll see the Golden State reverse their prop in no time. I know it seems like it&#039;ll take forever, (I&#039;m in Minnesota for gods sake we don&#039;t have even a chance of it) but we have to do it right or else we may never get to do it at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s cool. It&#8217;s hard. Me too. But it&#8217;ll be okay. New York is close, it could flip over any election now. Once the Californians get their act together you&#8217;ll see the Golden State reverse their prop in no time. I know it seems like it&#8217;ll take forever, (I&#8217;m in Minnesota for gods sake we don&#8217;t have even a chance of it) but we have to do it right or else we may never get to do it at all.</p>
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		<title>By: North</title>
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		<dc:creator>North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam ol buddy, you clearly haven&#039;t read much vintage Jaybird. Just drop the subject of liscencing before I have to get a bucket of water and call a cab to take him home to his missus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam ol buddy, you clearly haven&#8217;t read much vintage Jaybird. Just drop the subject of liscencing before I have to get a bucket of water and call a cab to take him home to his missus.</p>
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