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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32679</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be disrespectful Freddie, but I think this criticism is beneath you. You&#039;re an older hand than I in the blogosphere that it can&#039;t have escaped your notice that people edit and focus their posts. A post on the ineffectiveness of the Cuba travel ban need not delve into it&#039;s contextual history or contemporary sentiments in the same way that we expect longer academic papers or journalistic articles to. 

By the same token, major blogging voices are all about niche appeal. McArdle does libertarian leaning, snark-infused, cold commentary. Wonkette&#039;s Ken Layne does hyperbole and sarcasm. Media Matters and Malkin alike do aggrieved/&quot;look they&#039;re at it again&quot; like few others. 

If you want to criticize the rhetorical/argumentative shortcomings of bloggers who handicap their opponents well you might as well not stop with naming McArdle, just about anyone with a blog should be named, including yourself. 

When we talk about public education, your comments aren&#039;t consistently infused with anecdotes about the horrors of the status quo as perpetuated by the institutions you support. On illegal immigration, no discussion of the preventable murders made by illegal immigrants. On abortion, what about discussion of the anguish caused to barren women, those killed during the procedure, or even of would-be fathers. Which isn&#039;t to say, &quot;oh look you&#039;re a hypocrite and nothing you say matters.&quot; Quite the opposite. I&#039;ve really enjoyed reading posts here and older ones at L&#039;Hote. I think you make good points, insightful comments, and ask provocative questions. 

At no point, however, do I find your writing or arguments compromised by a insufficient discussion of costs. Perhaps that&#039;s because your posts tend to be more open-ended and conversational. If a discussion of the casus foederis of reform is missing, I think that means we need more voices that can communicate the missing aspect of our discussions rather than criticizing people for not meeting artificially imposed standards that have as much to do with style as substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be disrespectful Freddie, but I think this criticism is beneath you. You&#8217;re an older hand than I in the blogosphere that it can&#8217;t have escaped your notice that people edit and focus their posts. A post on the ineffectiveness of the Cuba travel ban need not delve into it&#8217;s contextual history or contemporary sentiments in the same way that we expect longer academic papers or journalistic articles to. </p>
<p>By the same token, major blogging voices are all about niche appeal. McArdle does libertarian leaning, snark-infused, cold commentary. Wonkette&#8217;s Ken Layne does hyperbole and sarcasm. Media Matters and Malkin alike do aggrieved/&#8221;look they&#8217;re at it again&#8221; like few others. </p>
<p>If you want to criticize the rhetorical/argumentative shortcomings of bloggers who handicap their opponents well you might as well not stop with naming McArdle, just about anyone with a blog should be named, including yourself. </p>
<p>When we talk about public education, your comments aren&#8217;t consistently infused with anecdotes about the horrors of the status quo as perpetuated by the institutions you support. On illegal immigration, no discussion of the preventable murders made by illegal immigrants. On abortion, what about discussion of the anguish caused to barren women, those killed during the procedure, or even of would-be fathers. Which isn&#8217;t to say, &#8220;oh look you&#8217;re a hypocrite and nothing you say matters.&#8221; Quite the opposite. I&#8217;ve really enjoyed reading posts here and older ones at L&#8217;Hote. I think you make good points, insightful comments, and ask provocative questions. </p>
<p>At no point, however, do I find your writing or arguments compromised by a insufficient discussion of costs. Perhaps that&#8217;s because your posts tend to be more open-ended and conversational. If a discussion of the casus foederis of reform is missing, I think that means we need more voices that can communicate the missing aspect of our discussions rather than criticizing people for not meeting artificially imposed standards that have as much to do with style as substance.</p>
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		<title>By: 62across</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32608</link>
		<dc:creator>62across</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 05:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You go ahead and tell yourself that you are the enlightened one and all who disagree with you are either apathetic or clueless, if it helps you sleep at night.  If it makes you happy, continue to conflate the regulatory environment of the US with genuine oppression and hunker down for that impending backlash.  I&#039;ll be over here in the real world where I&#039;m free to no longer engage with myopic ideologues like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You go ahead and tell yourself that you are the enlightened one and all who disagree with you are either apathetic or clueless, if it helps you sleep at night.  If it makes you happy, continue to conflate the regulatory environment of the US with genuine oppression and hunker down for that impending backlash.  I&#8217;ll be over here in the real world where I&#8217;m free to no longer engage with myopic ideologues like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32603</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The modern apathy of someone who doesn&#039;t understand, or doesn&#039;t appreciate, what he&#039;s losing. You really have no idea, do you? It&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The modern apathy of someone who doesn&#8217;t understand, or doesn&#8217;t appreciate, what he&#8217;s losing. You really have no idea, do you? It&#8217;s a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Cascadian</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32601</link>
		<dc:creator>Cascadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d also love to throw my support behind most of JBs proposals for my region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d also love to throw my support behind most of JBs proposals for my region.</p>
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		<title>By: Cascadian</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32600</link>
		<dc:creator>Cascadian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m probably closest to E.D.&#039;s position.  I don&#039;t want national health care.  I want more freedom to develop State solutions without interference.  Going for a national system requires too many compromises with too many interests.  Now Freddy can cry, &quot;Sure, in the NW, you&#039;ll have a great program but what about all those people in Georgia?&quot;  Well, being true to Freddies sorrows, I don&#039;t care.  Let Texas try the free market.  Let Cheeks demand that his doctors be educated at Bob Jones.  Let everyone find their personal hell and then figure it out from there.  Yes, there will be casualties, but the end solution will be better.  I&#039;m willing to admit to accepting those casualties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m probably closest to E.D.&#8217;s position.  I don&#8217;t want national health care.  I want more freedom to develop State solutions without interference.  Going for a national system requires too many compromises with too many interests.  Now Freddy can cry, &#8220;Sure, in the NW, you&#8217;ll have a great program but what about all those people in Georgia?&#8221;  Well, being true to Freddies sorrows, I don&#8217;t care.  Let Texas try the free market.  Let Cheeks demand that his doctors be educated at Bob Jones.  Let everyone find their personal hell and then figure it out from there.  Yes, there will be casualties, but the end solution will be better.  I&#8217;m willing to admit to accepting those casualties.</p>
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		<title>By: 62across</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32598</link>
		<dc:creator>62across</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized just the other day that my willing obeisance to my state&#039;s mandatory auto insurance rendered all my other property rights meaningless, so I&#039;ve got all my stuff out on the curb by my house.  Come check it out.

I gave away my freedom to spend that $1200 a year on whatever I want, just to ensure that schmuck who texts while driving has the means to compensate me should he run me over on my motorcycle.  Patrick Henry would be appalled.  My freedom of speech and assembly are hanging by a thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized just the other day that my willing obeisance to my state&#8217;s mandatory auto insurance rendered all my other property rights meaningless, so I&#8217;ve got all my stuff out on the curb by my house.  Come check it out.</p>
<p>I gave away my freedom to spend that $1200 a year on whatever I want, just to ensure that schmuck who texts while driving has the means to compensate me should he run me over on my motorcycle.  Patrick Henry would be appalled.  My freedom of speech and assembly are hanging by a thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32597</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no idea how much I&#039;ve learned about those subjects, sport. Shoot, I&#039;ve even read big books all the way through. And, because I have learned, I&#039;m a hardcore anti-statist. I mean hard- hard-core. You&#039;ll figure it out one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no idea how much I&#8217;ve learned about those subjects, sport. Shoot, I&#8217;ve even read big books all the way through. And, because I have learned, I&#8217;m a hardcore anti-statist. I mean hard- hard-core. You&#8217;ll figure it out one day.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32592</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the word statist.  Mostly I love how by learning that one word people can completely skip learning anything about political science, philosophy, or health care, and still think they&#039;ve got important shit to say about them.  It&#039;s a word that&#039;s almost relevant to any subject one might encounter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the word statist.  Mostly I love how by learning that one word people can completely skip learning anything about political science, philosophy, or health care, and still think they&#8217;ve got important shit to say about them.  It&#8217;s a word that&#8217;s almost relevant to any subject one might encounter.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/healthcare-reform-and-the-appeal-to-emotion/#comment-32591</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, now they&#039;re thowing the Hitler kitchen sink at us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, now they&#8217;re thowing the Hitler kitchen sink at us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its, not it&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its, not it&#8217;s</p>
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