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	<title>Comments on: Pundits Don&#8217;t Understand Politics: Obama 1st Anniversary Edition</title>
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		<title>By: JosephFM</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-29271</link>
		<dc:creator>JosephFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;ll be February 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;ll be February 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: JosephFM</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-29104</link>
		<dc:creator>JosephFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With its current makeup, even if the GOP did have a 60-seat majority, I doubt they would be any more unified than the Democrats are. But it&#039;s also true that, per Kyle, the left-liberal Democrats really &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; have that kind of majority. The problem is the shift of centrist Republicans  into the Democratic camp distorts the actual number of partisans.

I agree about there being WAY too much power restricted to grads of a handful of elite universities though. (Though this also doesn&#039;t keep me from supporting a Harvard grad for FL AG.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With its current makeup, even if the GOP did have a 60-seat majority, I doubt they would be any more unified than the Democrats are. But it&#8217;s also true that, per Kyle, the left-liberal Democrats really <i>don&#8217;t</i> have that kind of majority. The problem is the shift of centrist Republicans  into the Democratic camp distorts the actual number of partisans.</p>
<p>I agree about there being WAY too much power restricted to grads of a handful of elite universities though. (Though this also doesn&#8217;t keep me from supporting a Harvard grad for FL AG.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dierkes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

Basically I use a model called the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/Wilber_IV.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quadrants&lt;/a&gt; view which sees each arising moment as consisting of individual and collective interior and exterior dimensions.  Each of which is not caused by the other but all of which moment to moment &quot;fourly&quot; (or tetra) cause.  

So by that model the standard social sciences view would constitute the material collective dimension of any moment.  While the socionomic view would argue for the collective interior (&quot;consciousness as mood&quot; as in Heidegger) dimension of said occasion.  Both models (standard and socionomic) claim that one side causes the other but I would say both arise together and are mutually causative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Basically I use a model called the <a href="http://www.kheper.net/topics/Wilber/Wilber_IV.html" rel="nofollow">quadrants</a> view which sees each arising moment as consisting of individual and collective interior and exterior dimensions.  Each of which is not caused by the other but all of which moment to moment &#8220;fourly&#8221; (or tetra) cause.  </p>
<p>So by that model the standard social sciences view would constitute the material collective dimension of any moment.  While the socionomic view would argue for the collective interior (&#8220;consciousness as mood&#8221; as in Heidegger) dimension of said occasion.  Both models (standard and socionomic) claim that one side causes the other but I would say both arise together and are mutually causative.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dierkes</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-29097</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice use of Mondegreen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice use of Mondegreen.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Dierkes</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-29096</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Dierkes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jfm,

hillary&#039;s more left on domestic policy more hawkish undoubtedly foreign policy wise.  arguably edwards made her move a little left in the primary.  really I think of HRC as more interventionist/activist in her approach.  She&#039;s more paternalistic and I imagine she actually would have gone more heavy handed/confrontational given the economic situation.  

I&#039;m not saying that would have been a necessarily better option just that if someone holds that view of politics, Obama was never ever ever that guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jfm,</p>
<p>hillary&#8217;s more left on domestic policy more hawkish undoubtedly foreign policy wise.  arguably edwards made her move a little left in the primary.  really I think of HRC as more interventionist/activist in her approach.  She&#8217;s more paternalistic and I imagine she actually would have gone more heavy handed/confrontational given the economic situation.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that would have been a necessarily better option just that if someone holds that view of politics, Obama was never ever ever that guy.</p>
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		<title>By: JosephFM</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-29092</link>
		<dc:creator>JosephFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I also think said belief was and is silly and naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I also think said belief was and is silly and naive.</p>
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		<title>By: JosephFM</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-29090</link>
		<dc:creator>JosephFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary Clinton, really? Who was still defending the Iraq invasion through 2006, that HillaryClinton? Whose husband was the most conservative Democratic president of the entire 20th century? This is whom the hard left should have trusted in? Not Obama, certainly, but the fact is that both of them were proposing nearly identical policies. The only actual leftist in the race was, as usual, Kucinich. (And arguably Dodd, though given his ties to the banking industry he never could have won either.) 

I do think a lot of people on the left thought Obama could &quot;wake people up&quot; from being Republicans and leave them to die and are outraged and disappointed that his election didn&#039;t represent a fundamental change in American culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary Clinton, really? Who was still defending the Iraq invasion through 2006, that HillaryClinton? Whose husband was the most conservative Democratic president of the entire 20th century? This is whom the hard left should have trusted in? Not Obama, certainly, but the fact is that both of them were proposing nearly identical policies. The only actual leftist in the race was, as usual, Kucinich. (And arguably Dodd, though given his ties to the banking industry he never could have won either.) </p>
<p>I do think a lot of people on the left thought Obama could &#8220;wake people up&#8221; from being Republicans and leave them to die and are outraged and disappointed that his election didn&#8217;t represent a fundamental change in American culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris, 
Could you explain in more detail your view, &quot;that both endogenous and exogenous causation are mutually arising and self-interacting.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,<br />
Could you explain in more detail your view, &#8220;that both endogenous and exogenous causation are mutually arising and self-interacting.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That he did, which is why I find it so amusing that in some respects he is really Bush lite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That he did, which is why I find it so amusing that in some respects he is really Bush lite.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/people-dont-understand-politics-obama-1st-anniversary-edition/#comment-28937</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t that yesterday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t that yesterday?</p>
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