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		<title>By: Jamelle</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28776</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a paper trail for this (since I haven&#039;t been blogging for that long), but I&#039;ve long been in favor of making the Senate a more majoritarian institution.  This has nothing to do with partisanship and everything to do with the ability of the president to govern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a paper trail for this (since I haven&#8217;t been blogging for that long), but I&#8217;ve long been in favor of making the Senate a more majoritarian institution.  This has nothing to do with partisanship and everything to do with the ability of the president to govern.</p>
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		<title>By: JPB</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28774</link>
		<dc:creator>JPB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blanksslate.blogspot.com/2009/11/further-empowering-most-powerful-man-on.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thank Madison&lt;/a&gt;, wasn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;meant&lt;/i&gt; to work efficiently, let alone enable the president to simply impose his will (agenda, or whatever name you want to give it).  Congress rolling over for W. is what got us in half the mess &quot;progressives&quot; have been complaining about (rightly, for the most part) for the past 8 years. But now that your guy is in, let&#039;s ramp up the power? Doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress, <a href="http://blanksslate.blogspot.com/2009/11/further-empowering-most-powerful-man-on.html" rel="nofollow">thank Madison</a>, wasn&#8217;t <i>meant</i> to work efficiently, let alone enable the president to simply impose his will (agenda, or whatever name you want to give it).  Congress rolling over for W. is what got us in half the mess &#8220;progressives&#8221; have been complaining about (rightly, for the most part) for the past 8 years. But now that your guy is in, let&#8217;s ramp up the power? Doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28731</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If enough folks stay at home then the local congresscritter may lose. Ultimately people have to participate or any structural changes will fail. I think the best way to change the House is to change the way districts are drawn b/c right now they are drawn to benefit the incumbent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If enough folks stay at home then the local congresscritter may lose. Ultimately people have to participate or any structural changes will fail. I think the best way to change the House is to change the way districts are drawn b/c right now they are drawn to benefit the incumbent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28693</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is that as a practical matter, votes for Congress are pretty meaningless for half the country at all times.  On top of that, the two-party system ensures that in the other half of the country, there&#039;s precious little way of holding Congress accountable other than by being apathetic and staying home.  If you&#039;re a Democrat who is disgruntled at the Democratic majority, you probably also think that the Republicans would be worse.  So how do you hold the Democrats responsible?  You stay home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that as a practical matter, votes for Congress are pretty meaningless for half the country at all times.  On top of that, the two-party system ensures that in the other half of the country, there&#8217;s precious little way of holding Congress accountable other than by being apathetic and staying home.  If you&#8217;re a Democrat who is disgruntled at the Democratic majority, you probably also think that the Republicans would be worse.  So how do you hold the Democrats responsible?  You stay home.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28692</link>
		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1931595,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this yet?&lt;/a&gt;  I&#039;m not sure that being able to push legislation through more effectively would be any better than the system we have now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you read <a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1931595,00.html" rel="nofollow">this yet?</a>  I&#8217;m not sure that being able to push legislation through more effectively would be any better than the system we have now.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28690</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the lack of civics education to teach the importance of voting or folks feel that there is too much lobbying and money in races. I still think that we should move the date taxes are due from April 15 to the day before election day. That might encourage folks to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the lack of civics education to teach the importance of voting or folks feel that there is too much lobbying and money in races. I still think that we should move the date taxes are due from April 15 to the day before election day. That might encourage folks to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamelle</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28689</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the oversized influence of special, monied interests is a problem, but it&#039;s a problem that is exacerbated by the large number of veto points in our system.  I think I&#039;ve argued this before, but special interests don&#039;t have that much influence as special interests; insofar that they have an impact (on the legislative process), it&#039;s because they can occupy the various veto points in the legislative process and exact a toll.  

Think about it: it&#039;s very easy to focus  your attention on a single senator, who can then hold up the entire process.  Even if you were to do something as simple as eliminate the filibuster, that a very wide avenue for obstruction would be shut down, and it would take more work on part of those interests to achieve the same results, which could have the result of diluting their impact.  Simply put, the more obstruction, the more opportunities for those interests to adversely effect legislation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the oversized influence of special, monied interests is a problem, but it&#8217;s a problem that is exacerbated by the large number of veto points in our system.  I think I&#8217;ve argued this before, but special interests don&#8217;t have that much influence as special interests; insofar that they have an impact (on the legislative process), it&#8217;s because they can occupy the various veto points in the legislative process and exact a toll.  </p>
<p>Think about it: it&#8217;s very easy to focus  your attention on a single senator, who can then hold up the entire process.  Even if you were to do something as simple as eliminate the filibuster, that a very wide avenue for obstruction would be shut down, and it would take more work on part of those interests to achieve the same results, which could have the result of diluting their impact.  Simply put, the more obstruction, the more opportunities for those interests to adversely effect legislation.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28686</link>
		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamelle - certainly a more efficient governing system is desirable.  I would only point out that there are times when the slow pace and inefficiency of government may actually do some good.  I think a larger problem, in any case, is the influence special, monied interests have in our legislation.  I&#039;m not sure simply making it easier to pass laws would be a good thing without addressing that first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamelle &#8211; certainly a more efficient governing system is desirable.  I would only point out that there are times when the slow pace and inefficiency of government may actually do some good.  I think a larger problem, in any case, is the influence special, monied interests have in our legislation.  I&#8217;m not sure simply making it easier to pass laws would be a good thing without addressing that first.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28684</link>
		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve come to really love your idea, Mark.  It&#039;s damn good.  You need to email Dennis Sanders again about that think tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come to really love your idea, Mark.  It&#8217;s damn good.  You need to email Dennis Sanders again about that think tank.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/11/we-are-experiencing-institutional-difficulties/#comment-28605</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A system where committees are weaker, majorities are stronger and obstructionism harder is a system that incentivizes better legislation, as each member knows that their bill can make it to the floor in more or less its original state.  It’s a system where there are fewer opportunities for capture by special or parochial interests, and it’s a system that actually empowers presidents to pursue their agendas.&quot;

Isn&#039;t this a matter of 2+2+Smoke = 10? 

Special/parochial interests are wield enormous influence over electoral fates of legislators, so I don&#039;t see how this proposal would reduce their power, even if there are fewer opportunities for them to enter the legislative process. 

Is it even prudent to give more concentrated power to legislative majorities in a country this large and diverse? I mean it&#039;s something that comes up infrequently, that perhaps Congress should be more parliamentary, but well-functioning parliamentary democracies have three key features relative to America: they&#039;re smaller, less heterogeneous, and representatives - on average - represent fewer constituents.

If anything, this system makes intra-party loyalty the crucial determinant for legislative success, which, in turn, would seem likely to make legislation more polar. Which might make it &quot;better&quot; legislation, but I question whether contentious legislation will retain enough support among the people to be executed well. Essentially, I question whether the nation is prepared to support the bold reform your reforms would lead to. It very well could be, but for all the complaints of how moderate and status quo oriented reform is today, rarely do we have to consider issues of capacity and continued public support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A system where committees are weaker, majorities are stronger and obstructionism harder is a system that incentivizes better legislation, as each member knows that their bill can make it to the floor in more or less its original state.  It’s a system where there are fewer opportunities for capture by special or parochial interests, and it’s a system that actually empowers presidents to pursue their agendas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this a matter of 2+2+Smoke = 10? </p>
<p>Special/parochial interests are wield enormous influence over electoral fates of legislators, so I don&#8217;t see how this proposal would reduce their power, even if there are fewer opportunities for them to enter the legislative process. </p>
<p>Is it even prudent to give more concentrated power to legislative majorities in a country this large and diverse? I mean it&#8217;s something that comes up infrequently, that perhaps Congress should be more parliamentary, but well-functioning parliamentary democracies have three key features relative to America: they&#8217;re smaller, less heterogeneous, and representatives &#8211; on average &#8211; represent fewer constituents.</p>
<p>If anything, this system makes intra-party loyalty the crucial determinant for legislative success, which, in turn, would seem likely to make legislation more polar. Which might make it &#8220;better&#8221; legislation, but I question whether contentious legislation will retain enough support among the people to be executed well. Essentially, I question whether the nation is prepared to support the bold reform your reforms would lead to. It very well could be, but for all the complaints of how moderate and status quo oriented reform is today, rarely do we have to consider issues of capacity and continued public support.</p>
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