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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, in states with total bans including restaurants, DUIs increased.  In Ohio, carryout sales have exploded while wholesale to the bars who resell have plummeted.  People are partying at each others&#039; houses.  People are DRIVING to and from other peoples&#039; houses and there is no liquor license on the line for overserving.  More liquor is being sold in Ohio than ever before.  So, in actuality, we&#039;ve placed more drinkers on the road than before.

If the Ohio Attorney General&#039;s website were updated consistently with communities consistently reporting the same data, I&#039;d bet my last buck there would be proof of increased domestic violence.  Too bad the data is so bad...can&#039;t be analyzed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, in states with total bans including restaurants, DUIs increased.  In Ohio, carryout sales have exploded while wholesale to the bars who resell have plummeted.  People are partying at each others&#8217; houses.  People are DRIVING to and from other peoples&#8217; houses and there is no liquor license on the line for overserving.  More liquor is being sold in Ohio than ever before.  So, in actuality, we&#8217;ve placed more drinkers on the road than before.</p>
<p>If the Ohio Attorney General&#8217;s website were updated consistently with communities consistently reporting the same data, I&#8217;d bet my last buck there would be proof of increased domestic violence.  Too bad the data is so bad&#8230;can&#8217;t be analyzed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it&#039;s cool. I&#039;m an ex-smoker who enjoys a cigar every now and again (and, in Vegas, a pack or three of smokes... it stays there).

I&#039;m down with all that stuff and am one of the crazy libertarian types who believes in all sorts of wacky rights and whathaveyou. (One of them is the right to allow people to smoke on your property, if you are so inclined.)

I&#039;m just surprised to see so many people bubble up for the first time in a thread about smoking bans. Now, don&#039;t get me wrong. I can see how someone might shrug at the idea of gay marriage, universal health care, theology, global warming, and the usual topics that bubble up from time to time and then, when that someone sees a topic that really pisses them off, they sit down and write a screed. I *TOTALLY* can see that happening. When a large number of folks seem to do it at once, I get sort of weirded out.

Then again, when I smoked, the idea of a smoking ban pissed me off in a much more immediate way than, say, global warming. So I could see that being a factor too.

Anyway, please stick around and argue! Your take on things is wanted on all those other topics! Needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s cool. I&#8217;m an ex-smoker who enjoys a cigar every now and again (and, in Vegas, a pack or three of smokes&#8230; it stays there).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m down with all that stuff and am one of the crazy libertarian types who believes in all sorts of wacky rights and whathaveyou. (One of them is the right to allow people to smoke on your property, if you are so inclined.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just surprised to see so many people bubble up for the first time in a thread about smoking bans. Now, don&#8217;t get me wrong. I can see how someone might shrug at the idea of gay marriage, universal health care, theology, global warming, and the usual topics that bubble up from time to time and then, when that someone sees a topic that really pisses them off, they sit down and write a screed. I *TOTALLY* can see that happening. When a large number of folks seem to do it at once, I get sort of weirded out.</p>
<p>Then again, when I smoked, the idea of a smoking ban pissed me off in a much more immediate way than, say, global warming. So I could see that being a factor too.</p>
<p>Anyway, please stick around and argue! Your take on things is wanted on all those other topics! Needed!</p>
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		<title>By: virgilk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you read, above, why I started research on SHS. I also get no funding from any source other than my retirement check. I could use the money. I just read Mr. Hill&#039;s comments below. He says it exactly as I have found it but in a more educated way. Don&#039;t miss his opinion, it is worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you read, above, why I started research on SHS. I also get no funding from any source other than my retirement check. I could use the money. I just read Mr. Hill&#8217;s comments below. He says it exactly as I have found it but in a more educated way. Don&#8217;t miss his opinion, it is worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: virgilk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m from Kentucky and I don&#039;t want this Smoking Ban disease to spread. We should all be concerned. Every new ban is a loss of freedom over a nonexistent threat. Now it&#039;s moving to take away other freedoms from those who are overweight. All of this is fueled by the Pharmaceuticals plus Government in their lust for new revenue. Before Pharmacy funding to increase their profits, there were no studies that found a connection of smoking to any disease. It was suggested in 1975 that the only way to get people to stop smoking was to foster the belief that the smoke was hurting those around the smoker. That is when, save the children came into use.  With the use of the right phrasing you can convince people of anything. This method was widely used by Edmond Bernays in the 40&#039;s and the same techniques are being used today. All it takes is unlimited funding and 24/7 repetition. It is just a form of brainwashing and it works. After a while our opinions have been set by those who will profit from the information we hear, read and see everyday 24/7. Our children are being educated in group thinking right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m from Kentucky and I don&#8217;t want this Smoking Ban disease to spread. We should all be concerned. Every new ban is a loss of freedom over a nonexistent threat. Now it&#8217;s moving to take away other freedoms from those who are overweight. All of this is fueled by the Pharmaceuticals plus Government in their lust for new revenue. Before Pharmacy funding to increase their profits, there were no studies that found a connection of smoking to any disease. It was suggested in 1975 that the only way to get people to stop smoking was to foster the belief that the smoke was hurting those around the smoker. That is when, save the children came into use.  With the use of the right phrasing you can convince people of anything. This method was widely used by Edmond Bernays in the 40&#8217;s and the same techniques are being used today. All it takes is unlimited funding and 24/7 repetition. It is just a form of brainwashing and it works. After a while our opinions have been set by those who will profit from the information we hear, read and see everyday 24/7. Our children are being educated in group thinking right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/12/it-cant-happen-here/#comment-32847</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government Will Make Smokers, Children, Families, Sick 

Government&#039;s that foster anti-smoking policies lead the real health epidemic, government interference. They are not using science as their competent guide into the future. Instead they use the deep festering envy of politicized environmentalists (those unable to compete on a level playing field) to revisit remnants of the dark ages. The profound statement of philosopher/novelist Ayn Rand echoes the truth that smothers us, &quot;Today, we live in the age of envy.&quot; 

I am a life-long non-smoker, who has lost the four most precious people in my life. Cancer was the effect, a consequence, but not the cause. Yet, I will not help to propagandize health into dictatorial policy through anti-smoking. I do not wish to repeat the 1930&#039;s, 1940&#039;s. Do you? 

Exactly how can our government &quot;create a healthier society for all&quot; when they betray the smoker&#039;s sense of trust, demoralize their self-confidence, disrupt their employer-employee relationships, upheave their family life, and undermind their efficacy by alienating them from their own human nature? 

This destructive mind/body dichotomy will subject smoker&#039;s to long-term emotional and mental disorders, thus leading to serious physical ailments. In reality, our government is making them sick. 

A particularily foreboding feature of the mind/body dichotomy is the government&#039;s suffocating negative influence while aggressively restricting young people from making their own decisions. Government aggression will severely jeopardize each young person&#039;s struggle to form a necessary sense of self-confidence. This fragile process is usually a traumatic experience, especially when that negative influence is hidden under the misconception of government benevolence. 

In reality, our government lacks the knowledge of the trigger mechanism that sets off most cancers or most other major diseases to then become a critical danger for human beings. It is not smoking, nor second-hand smoke. Then why does government pathetically use smoker&#039;s as their scapegoat, perhaps they require an example in order to intimidate other industries? 

Chicken Littleism is no longer a silly joke. It is now a snarling threat. Stamp out politicized environmentalism, not smokers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government Will Make Smokers, Children, Families, Sick </p>
<p>Government&#8217;s that foster anti-smoking policies lead the real health epidemic, government interference. They are not using science as their competent guide into the future. Instead they use the deep festering envy of politicized environmentalists (those unable to compete on a level playing field) to revisit remnants of the dark ages. The profound statement of philosopher/novelist Ayn Rand echoes the truth that smothers us, &#8220;Today, we live in the age of envy.&#8221; </p>
<p>I am a life-long non-smoker, who has lost the four most precious people in my life. Cancer was the effect, a consequence, but not the cause. Yet, I will not help to propagandize health into dictatorial policy through anti-smoking. I do not wish to repeat the 1930&#8217;s, 1940&#8217;s. Do you? </p>
<p>Exactly how can our government &#8220;create a healthier society for all&#8221; when they betray the smoker&#8217;s sense of trust, demoralize their self-confidence, disrupt their employer-employee relationships, upheave their family life, and undermind their efficacy by alienating them from their own human nature? </p>
<p>This destructive mind/body dichotomy will subject smoker&#8217;s to long-term emotional and mental disorders, thus leading to serious physical ailments. In reality, our government is making them sick. </p>
<p>A particularily foreboding feature of the mind/body dichotomy is the government&#8217;s suffocating negative influence while aggressively restricting young people from making their own decisions. Government aggression will severely jeopardize each young person&#8217;s struggle to form a necessary sense of self-confidence. This fragile process is usually a traumatic experience, especially when that negative influence is hidden under the misconception of government benevolence. </p>
<p>In reality, our government lacks the knowledge of the trigger mechanism that sets off most cancers or most other major diseases to then become a critical danger for human beings. It is not smoking, nor second-hand smoke. Then why does government pathetically use smoker&#8217;s as their scapegoat, perhaps they require an example in order to intimidate other industries? </p>
<p>Chicken Littleism is no longer a silly joke. It is now a snarling threat. Stamp out politicized environmentalism, not smokers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/12/it-cant-happen-here/#comment-32845</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This letter, from a non-smoker refers to all anti-smoking legislation.
 
*An open letter that was emailed to all (103) Ontario, Canada political MPP&#039;s in early May, 2008. No replies!  This non-response reflects government without a sense of responsibility or a foundation for their actions!

Betrayal, Anti-Smoking Message is Like Fascism that Preys Upon Our Children

We must not look within ourselves. We may discover what we are becoming!

Moral judgement is the mirror, mirror, on the wall image, always lurking in our mind, like an alter-conscience, prepared to reveal the frightening truth, in our soul, such as the undeserved vengefulness, at any cost, wielded against smokers. Even betrayal, of the next generation, becomes palatable within self-betrayal.

This remorseless mental/emotional preying upon, our precious children, recklessly poisons their mind and spirit, under the government&#039;s pernicious slogan &quot;health and safety.&quot; 

By supporting anti-smoking, we endorse and promote Fascism, an historically proven scurvy upon humanity!

The inevitable shame, of our past actions, can still be averted, by rescinding this government agenda!

The most&quot;dangerous smoke&quot; comes not from cigarettes, instead from the government smoke screen to obscure from view, that the real issue is Capitalism and science versus Fascism and politicized environmentalism, not &#039;health and safety.&#039;

Science and politicized environmentalism are colliding worlds, science being the height of pursuing truth, politicized environmentalism the depth of distorting truth. Anti-smoking is part of politicized environmentalism and the attempted foundation of Fascism!

Do we therefore side with Capitalism, science, Second World War troops and our allies-- honour; or do we side with Fascism, politicized environmentalism, our enemies of the Second World War-- disgrace? Thus far we blindly follow our enemies and disgrace!

From the mouth of Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace, &quot;It doesn&#039;t matter what is true; it only matters what people believe is true.....You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth and a myth-generating machine.&quot; We deserve truth, not half-truths and propaganda!

For any high ranking government official that lack this critical knowledge, they are in their office under false pretenses. They are unprepared to govern. Their present course of anti-smoking legislations is the proof of that statement.

In the words of Psychotherapist Nathaniel Branden, &quot;I was acutely conscious of the pressure to &#039;adapt&#039; and to absorb the values of the &#039;tribe&#039;---family, community and culture. It seemed to me that what was asked was the surrender of my judgement and also my conviction that my life and what I made of it was of the highest possible value. I saw my contemporaries surrendering and losing their fire. Why was growing up equated with giving up?&quot;

Philosopher/Novelist Ayn Rand wrote, &quot;If some demagogue were to offer us, as a guiding creed, the following tenets: that statistics should be substituted for truth, vote-counting for principles, numbers for rights, and public polls for morality--that pragmatic, range-of-the-moment expediency should be the criterion of a country&#039;s interests, and that the number of its adherents should be the criterion of an idea&#039;s truth or falsehood--that any desire of any nature whatsoever should be accepted as a valid claim, provided it is held by a sufficient number of people--that a majority may do anything it pleases to a minority--in short, gang rule and mob rule--if a demagogue were to offer it, he would not get very far. Yet all of it is contained in--and camouflaged by--the notion of &#039;Government by Consensus.&quot;

&#039;Rule by Consensus,&#039; (Rule by health care pressure group) is todays&#039; anti-ideology in government. Appeasement of these power-lusting, health care pressure groups is of higher priority than our children and all other tax payers, voters, and citizens. The permeating emotion from &#039;Rule by Consensus&#039; is demoralizing, debilitating fear instead of an optimistic view of the future.

Note this recent example, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said he wouldn&#039;t entertain a ban (smoking in cars with children) because it amounts to &quot;too much intrusion into people&#039;s private lives.&quot; The logical interpretation of this statement is that the entire anti-smoking movement eliminates smoker&#039;s individual rights, and has always been an intrusion into a smoker&#039;s family dynamic. Now, the Ontario government is prepared, in predictable flip-flop fashion, to enact such a ban.

In ignobility, many people have misaligned themself with politicized environmentalism, despite the fact that 1930&#039;s, 1940&#039;s, Germany used &quot;politicized ecology and public health&quot; to base its rationalizations. Are we predisposed to mistakenly mirror the historic footsteps of self-loathing mass destruction? No! Everyone has an individual mind and conscience, above party politics. Be true to them, follow your courage (truth) and dethrone your fear (fallacy). Rescind this government&#039;s shameful anti-smoking agenda. 

References: 

Paul Watson - Environmental Overkill, (Whatever happened to common sense) - book
Psychotherapist Nathaniel Branden, The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem - book
Ayn Rand - Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal - book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This letter, from a non-smoker refers to all anti-smoking legislation.</p>
<p>*An open letter that was emailed to all (103) Ontario, Canada political MPP&#8217;s in early May, 2008. No replies!  This non-response reflects government without a sense of responsibility or a foundation for their actions!</p>
<p>Betrayal, Anti-Smoking Message is Like Fascism that Preys Upon Our Children</p>
<p>We must not look within ourselves. We may discover what we are becoming!</p>
<p>Moral judgement is the mirror, mirror, on the wall image, always lurking in our mind, like an alter-conscience, prepared to reveal the frightening truth, in our soul, such as the undeserved vengefulness, at any cost, wielded against smokers. Even betrayal, of the next generation, becomes palatable within self-betrayal.</p>
<p>This remorseless mental/emotional preying upon, our precious children, recklessly poisons their mind and spirit, under the government&#8217;s pernicious slogan &#8220;health and safety.&#8221; </p>
<p>By supporting anti-smoking, we endorse and promote Fascism, an historically proven scurvy upon humanity!</p>
<p>The inevitable shame, of our past actions, can still be averted, by rescinding this government agenda!</p>
<p>The most&#8221;dangerous smoke&#8221; comes not from cigarettes, instead from the government smoke screen to obscure from view, that the real issue is Capitalism and science versus Fascism and politicized environmentalism, not &#8216;health and safety.&#8217;</p>
<p>Science and politicized environmentalism are colliding worlds, science being the height of pursuing truth, politicized environmentalism the depth of distorting truth. Anti-smoking is part of politicized environmentalism and the attempted foundation of Fascism!</p>
<p>Do we therefore side with Capitalism, science, Second World War troops and our allies&#8211; honour; or do we side with Fascism, politicized environmentalism, our enemies of the Second World War&#8211; disgrace? Thus far we blindly follow our enemies and disgrace!</p>
<p>From the mouth of Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace, &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t matter what is true; it only matters what people believe is true&#8230;..You are what the media define you to be. Greenpeace became a myth and a myth-generating machine.&#8221; We deserve truth, not half-truths and propaganda!</p>
<p>For any high ranking government official that lack this critical knowledge, they are in their office under false pretenses. They are unprepared to govern. Their present course of anti-smoking legislations is the proof of that statement.</p>
<p>In the words of Psychotherapist Nathaniel Branden, &#8220;I was acutely conscious of the pressure to &#8216;adapt&#8217; and to absorb the values of the &#8216;tribe&#8217;&#8212;family, community and culture. It seemed to me that what was asked was the surrender of my judgement and also my conviction that my life and what I made of it was of the highest possible value. I saw my contemporaries surrendering and losing their fire. Why was growing up equated with giving up?&#8221;</p>
<p>Philosopher/Novelist Ayn Rand wrote, &#8220;If some demagogue were to offer us, as a guiding creed, the following tenets: that statistics should be substituted for truth, vote-counting for principles, numbers for rights, and public polls for morality&#8211;that pragmatic, range-of-the-moment expediency should be the criterion of a country&#8217;s interests, and that the number of its adherents should be the criterion of an idea&#8217;s truth or falsehood&#8211;that any desire of any nature whatsoever should be accepted as a valid claim, provided it is held by a sufficient number of people&#8211;that a majority may do anything it pleases to a minority&#8211;in short, gang rule and mob rule&#8211;if a demagogue were to offer it, he would not get very far. Yet all of it is contained in&#8211;and camouflaged by&#8211;the notion of &#8216;Government by Consensus.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8216;Rule by Consensus,&#8217; (Rule by health care pressure group) is todays&#8217; anti-ideology in government. Appeasement of these power-lusting, health care pressure groups is of higher priority than our children and all other tax payers, voters, and citizens. The permeating emotion from &#8216;Rule by Consensus&#8217; is demoralizing, debilitating fear instead of an optimistic view of the future.</p>
<p>Note this recent example, Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said he wouldn&#8217;t entertain a ban (smoking in cars with children) because it amounts to &#8220;too much intrusion into people&#8217;s private lives.&#8221; The logical interpretation of this statement is that the entire anti-smoking movement eliminates smoker&#8217;s individual rights, and has always been an intrusion into a smoker&#8217;s family dynamic. Now, the Ontario government is prepared, in predictable flip-flop fashion, to enact such a ban.</p>
<p>In ignobility, many people have misaligned themself with politicized environmentalism, despite the fact that 1930&#8217;s, 1940&#8217;s, Germany used &#8220;politicized ecology and public health&#8221; to base its rationalizations. Are we predisposed to mistakenly mirror the historic footsteps of self-loathing mass destruction? No! Everyone has an individual mind and conscience, above party politics. Be true to them, follow your courage (truth) and dethrone your fear (fallacy). Rescind this government&#8217;s shameful anti-smoking agenda. </p>
<p>References: </p>
<p>Paul Watson &#8211; Environmental Overkill, (Whatever happened to common sense) &#8211; book<br />
Psychotherapist Nathaniel Branden, The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem &#8211; book<br />
Ayn Rand &#8211; Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal &#8211; book</p>
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		<title>By: Trumwill</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/12/it-cant-happen-here/#comment-32835</link>
		<dc:creator>Trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons that I make a distinction between banning smoking in restaurants and banning smoking in bars (I supported the former and vociferously opposed the latter). Young people don&#039;t have the mobility or means to avoid smokey restaurants. Bars, on the other hand, are filled with people that are there completely on their own volition. One thing to consider is to allow smoking in venues that only allow adult admittance.

Of course, this distinction goes back to what Sam is saying about the exaggerated dangers of SHS. But since these bans have proven to be so popular (and accepted even among smokers I know), my proposed compromises have become less ambitious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons that I make a distinction between banning smoking in restaurants and banning smoking in bars (I supported the former and vociferously opposed the latter). Young people don&#8217;t have the mobility or means to avoid smokey restaurants. Bars, on the other hand, are filled with people that are there completely on their own volition. One thing to consider is to allow smoking in venues that only allow adult admittance.</p>
<p>Of course, this distinction goes back to what Sam is saying about the exaggerated dangers of SHS. But since these bans have proven to be so popular (and accepted even among smokers I know), my proposed compromises have become less ambitious.</p>
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		<title>By: Trumwill</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/12/it-cant-happen-here/#comment-32829</link>
		<dc:creator>Trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that bars are in any position to talk about DUIs. If all the bars went out of business tomorrow, DUIs would plummet.

You&#039;d be paying for the right to do business in a venue that allows smoking.

Anyway, make me out to be the villain if you want to, but I&#039;m in favor of expanding venues&#039; rights to allow smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that bars are in any position to talk about DUIs. If all the bars went out of business tomorrow, DUIs would plummet.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d be paying for the right to do business in a venue that allows smoking.</p>
<p>Anyway, make me out to be the villain if you want to, but I&#8217;m in favor of expanding venues&#8217; rights to allow smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Trumwill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trumwill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Restaurants learned a long time ago that going non-smoking is (often) good business. They learned this in part, however, because of large-scale smoking bans that proved not to cause any real problems. Had the anti-smokers not leaped into action, it&#039;s possible that most restaurants would still be smoking.

Bars are a different bird. They have mostly gone non-smoking kicking and screaming the entire way. I think that they largely needed the push. This was all particularly true before laws forced people to realize that non-smoking bars were viable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restaurants learned a long time ago that going non-smoking is (often) good business. They learned this in part, however, because of large-scale smoking bans that proved not to cause any real problems. Had the anti-smokers not leaped into action, it&#8217;s possible that most restaurants would still be smoking.</p>
<p>Bars are a different bird. They have mostly gone non-smoking kicking and screaming the entire way. I think that they largely needed the push. This was all particularly true before laws forced people to realize that non-smoking bars were viable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaybird</title>
		<link>http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/12/it-cant-happen-here/#comment-32801</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaybird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see all of these new names and I am tickled pink. Where are they coming from? Hey! Guys! Where are you all coming from?

(I admit: The deeply cynical part of my brain wonders if they&#039;re all showing from RJR/Nabisco or something.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see all of these new names and I am tickled pink. Where are they coming from? Hey! Guys! Where are you all coming from?</p>
<p>(I admit: The deeply cynical part of my brain wonders if they&#8217;re all showing from RJR/Nabisco or something.)</p>
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