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		<title>Comment on We Are All Enemy Belligerents Now by Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because I&#039;m criticizing Mike&#039;s position that we should &quot;get back to the business of America&quot; doesn&#039;t mean I support curtailing civil liberties for American citizens. Our current conflict has gotten to be like the Korean War, it is there in the background but not really a part of people&#039;s everyday life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because I&#8217;m criticizing Mike&#8217;s position that we should &#8220;get back to the business of America&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean I support curtailing civil liberties for American citizens. Our current conflict has gotten to be like the Korean War, it is there in the background but not really a part of people&#8217;s everyday life.</p>
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		<title>Comment on One State to Rule Them All? by One State to Rule Them All? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen &#171; Chomsky Watch</title>
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		<dc:creator>One State to Rule Them All? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen &#171; Chomsky Watch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via One State to Rule Them All? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on We Are All Enemy Belligerents Now by Jason Kuznicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Kuznicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well.  If that&#039;s how we must have it, I&#039;d sooner you raised taxes to pay for the war than take away our civil liberties.  Taking away civil liberties doesn&#039;t give me a &quot;stake&quot; in the conflict.  It makes me less inclined to support the government, not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well.  If that&#8217;s how we must have it, I&#8217;d sooner you raised taxes to pay for the war than take away our civil liberties.  Taking away civil liberties doesn&#8217;t give me a &#8220;stake&#8221; in the conflict.  It makes me less inclined to support the government, not more.</p>
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		<title>Comment on We Are All Enemy Belligerents Now by Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember everything else? The only thing we need to remember is that we are at war and that every day Americans are fighting and dying. Maybe if more people had a stake in the conflict, people won&#039;t be so absorbed by their bread and circuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember everything else? The only thing we need to remember is that we are at war and that every day Americans are fighting and dying. Maybe if more people had a stake in the conflict, people won&#8217;t be so absorbed by their bread and circuses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on World Building by Fantasy and myth &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fantasy and myth &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] linked us to this piece by James Bowman earlier.&#160; Bowman writes: I mention this difference between the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on My Problem with St. Patrick&#8217;s Day by Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The largest ethnic group in the us is those of german descent. However there was a very traumatic event for this group World War I. One of my great grandfathers was born in germany but came over as a 1 year old. However his father did not take out citizenship papers, so in 1917 he was on a list of aliens published in the local paper, and his door got painted yellow. Also in a graveyard in Darmstadt Indiana is a gravestone which has a man who died in 1914 with the stone in german and the woman who died in 1921 with the stone in english. Many german language papers stopped publishing at the time, due to being told that oh there just might happen to be a fire at your offices if you keep publishing.  So for about 60 years at least in IN german heritage was suppressed. It took the dieing off of the WWI generation for the octoberfests etc to come back. Note that in 1921 the Wisc legislature passed a law forbidding teaching school in German as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The largest ethnic group in the us is those of german descent. However there was a very traumatic event for this group World War I. One of my great grandfathers was born in germany but came over as a 1 year old. However his father did not take out citizenship papers, so in 1917 he was on a list of aliens published in the local paper, and his door got painted yellow. Also in a graveyard in Darmstadt Indiana is a gravestone which has a man who died in 1914 with the stone in german and the woman who died in 1921 with the stone in english. Many german language papers stopped publishing at the time, due to being told that oh there just might happen to be a fire at your offices if you keep publishing.  So for about 60 years at least in IN german heritage was suppressed. It took the dieing off of the WWI generation for the octoberfests etc to come back. Note that in 1921 the Wisc legislature passed a law forbidding teaching school in German as well.</p>
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		<title>Comment on He doesn&#8217;t look a thing like Jesus by carlos the dwarf</title>
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		<dc:creator>carlos the dwarf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice reference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice reference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on One State to Rule Them All? by North</title>
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		<dc:creator>North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woo-hoo! A shout out!! I’d like to thank the Academy and of course Michael Drew (and I am really glad that I didn’t start calling him an ignorant slut though I managed to somehow stop posting under my blue name /cry). 

Certainly the two state solution is an ugly and unworkable option being surpassed in ugliness and unworkability only by the status quos or some kind of one state solution. I agree that in the failure of two state we’re pretty much stuck with a one state solution (at least in terms of ethical alternatives). I can feel my hands shake with fear though in imagining how badly things could turn out if the Israeli polity finds itself backed (or self dragged) into a situation where the only ethical option is surrendering themselves into the hands of a hostile majority. The unethical alternatives would begin to tower in such a situation, may it never come to that. 

Absolutely the madhouse settlement by Jews in the West Bank is a terrible thing and makes the two state solution more difficult. I do feel obliged to observe, though, that it is a crushing indictment of the Palestinian and Arab people that in Israel millions of Arab-Israeli’s can work, live and vote in relative equality and peace with their host nation while the idea of Jewish minority living in Palestinian evokes plausible predictions that lead down an alley full of violence and end in a blood soaked sandy grave. This is not to excuse the settlers. It’s blatantly obvious that they’d be hauling their Kocher asses back to Israel proper at warp speed if the Israeli government were ever to have the chutzpah to tell them that they could stay in Palestine but they’d be on their own under Palestinian rule. 

I love the idea if Israel-Palestine being some kind of 51st state but of course it would be a validation of all of the most wild eyed conspiracy theories about the &quot;Great Satan&quot; in all Arabic circles and utterly unworkable in practice since neither ethnic group speak English as their first language. Nor would the U.S. ever allow anything like the right of return for an Israeli 51&#039;st state and I&#039;m dubious the Israelis would ever consent to essentially locking the rest of the Jewish Diaspora out of the holy land.

I haven’t read Ali Abu Nimah myself though I’ve heard his book described as very optimistic and naive. If it starts to look like the two state solution is truly dead I definitely  will need to brush up on my reading. After I start trying to tackle “The Kraut” of course; Bob would be vexed if I put it off too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woo-hoo! A shout out!! I’d like to thank the Academy and of course Michael Drew (and I am really glad that I didn’t start calling him an ignorant slut though I managed to somehow stop posting under my blue name /cry). </p>
<p>Certainly the two state solution is an ugly and unworkable option being surpassed in ugliness and unworkability only by the status quos or some kind of one state solution. I agree that in the failure of two state we’re pretty much stuck with a one state solution (at least in terms of ethical alternatives). I can feel my hands shake with fear though in imagining how badly things could turn out if the Israeli polity finds itself backed (or self dragged) into a situation where the only ethical option is surrendering themselves into the hands of a hostile majority. The unethical alternatives would begin to tower in such a situation, may it never come to that. </p>
<p>Absolutely the madhouse settlement by Jews in the West Bank is a terrible thing and makes the two state solution more difficult. I do feel obliged to observe, though, that it is a crushing indictment of the Palestinian and Arab people that in Israel millions of Arab-Israeli’s can work, live and vote in relative equality and peace with their host nation while the idea of Jewish minority living in Palestinian evokes plausible predictions that lead down an alley full of violence and end in a blood soaked sandy grave. This is not to excuse the settlers. It’s blatantly obvious that they’d be hauling their Kocher asses back to Israel proper at warp speed if the Israeli government were ever to have the chutzpah to tell them that they could stay in Palestine but they’d be on their own under Palestinian rule. </p>
<p>I love the idea if Israel-Palestine being some kind of 51st state but of course it would be a validation of all of the most wild eyed conspiracy theories about the &#8220;Great Satan&#8221; in all Arabic circles and utterly unworkable in practice since neither ethnic group speak English as their first language. Nor would the U.S. ever allow anything like the right of return for an Israeli 51&#8217;st state and I&#8217;m dubious the Israelis would ever consent to essentially locking the rest of the Jewish Diaspora out of the holy land.</p>
<p>I haven’t read Ali Abu Nimah myself though I’ve heard his book described as very optimistic and naive. If it starts to look like the two state solution is truly dead I definitely  will need to brush up on my reading. After I start trying to tackle “The Kraut” of course; Bob would be vexed if I put it off too much.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The League of Ordinary Madness (II) by Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll take the guest post even if you come in dead last, TPL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ll take the guest post even if you come in dead last, TPL.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The League of Ordinary Madness (II) by transplanted lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>transplanted lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, would be thrilled to offer a guest post in the highly unlikely event that I (and thus the Kentucky Wildcats) were to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, would be thrilled to offer a guest post in the highly unlikely event that I (and thus the Kentucky Wildcats) were to win.</p>
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